07-18-2004, 23:06
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Mercs
There was a great special on History about them tonight.....I saw quite a few familiar faces......good history. I think everyone should see it, especially because it show the real situations, especially in Africa.
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07-19-2004, 03:08
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Did they mention a guy called Roland?
I hear he was good with a Thompson..
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07-19-2004, 05:45
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Quote:
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Did they mention a guy called Roland?
I hear he was good with a Thompson..
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Roland was a warrior, from the land of the midnight sun.
He was only TDY to Africa.
TR
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07-19-2004, 06:23
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Contracted out of Denmark, I believe he headed for Biafra to help the congolese.
Asprin isn't going to help that headache, that's for sure...
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07-19-2004, 09:14
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I would have rather just sent the envoy and tried to work it out first.
As for the show, it was a POS that made PMC's to be nothing but a bunch of money hungry people who only want to kill. The part on the Africa bush wars really made it worse. They showed a rather lengthy piece on EO and how they were hired by the governments of some countries to fight the wars in Africa.
They started the show with an interview from Mr. Battles and then only briefly mentioned some of the others like KBR & Dyncorp. They never mentioned Blackwater but they did show the aftermath of the March ambush. Way to go dickheads!
Sorry but the show missed the mark on educating Joe Q. Public on what the PMC's are doing today as opposed to the 60's-70's.
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07-19-2004, 10:15
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I find that most documentaries lack complete information. This is probably because they have to simplify for audience and time constraints.
Can you buy these documentaries on video or DVD?'
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07-19-2004, 10:18
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Quote:
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I would have rather just sent the envoy and tried to work it out first.
As for the show, it was a POS that made PMC's to be nothing but a bunch of money hungry people who only want to kill. The part on the Africa bush wars really made it worse. They showed a rather lengthy piece on EO and how they were hired by the governments of some countries to fight the wars in Africa.
They started the show with an interview from Mr. Battles and then only briefly mentioned some of the others like KBR & Dyncorp. They never mentioned Blackwater but they did show the aftermath of the March ambush. Way to go dickheads!
Sorry but the show missed the mark on educating Joe Q. Public on what the PMC's are doing today as opposed to the 60's-70's.
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I didn't read it that way. Sure, in the begining when they talked about the mercs in the Congo they did portray them that way but that's the way they portrayed themselves, IMO.
I thought they portrayed EO in a better light. I refer to the part about Siera Leone (sp?). EO went in for 20 mil and 150 people and cleaned up the mess the government made. Then the UN pretty much forced the GVT to cancel their contract and bring in 17,000 peace keepers at a cost of 1 billion who blew it. They were back to square one.
There was a good case made by some of the talking heads for PMCs. I thought the things that were brought up such as how would a PMC contractor be treated if captured were good points. The best part was the guy at the end that answered the question about who polices the PMCs was good. They police themselves. Simple economics.
Not an easy answer to any of the questions raised in the show, to be sure. But PMCs are going to be a way of life in modern conflict. Better to get the cards on the table now.
Just so you know, I have no problem with PMCs. They serve a purpose and usually serve it well.
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07-19-2004, 10:34
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Don't take me wrong, I too believe they have a place in current times. I just did not think they did a great job or even a good job of what today's PMC are all about. They focused way to much on the 60's-70's and while they did say that PMC's can do a lot more for a lot less that again was the earlier periods. They did not cover much of modern PMC's and were I someone not as familiar with them as I am, I would have ended the show thinking that PMC's are nothing more then hired thugs whose only concern is how much do we get paid and when does the killing start.
Today's PMC's are for the most part not paid to fight the war like those from EO in Africa.
Just my take on the show. Like I said, they could have put more emphasis on current rather then days gone by.
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07-19-2004, 10:44
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Yeah, I wasn't looking at it from the point of view of the average person. I can see your point on that.
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07-19-2004, 11:21
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PMC employees aren't mercenaries, there's a difference. 
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07-19-2004, 11:43
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PMC employees aren't mercenaries, there's a difference.
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I was waiting for someone to point out the distinction between the two...there is a difference between PMCs and PSCs
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07-19-2004, 11:49
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I was waiting for someone to point out the distinction between the two...there is a difference between PMCs and PSCs
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07-19-2004, 11:56
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i'm there for ya brah
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Whoa dude, are you from California? LOL
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07-19-2004, 12:00
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Hawaii - LOL
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07-19-2004, 12:01
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Hawaii, Cundinamarca
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