01-07-2014, 16:55
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Robert Gates Thinks Joe Biden Hasn't Stopped Being Wrong for 40 Years
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01-07-2014, 18:26
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"Robert Gates Thinks Joe Biden Hasn't Stopped Being Wrong for 40 Years"
That is code for, "He's an effing moron."
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01-07-2014, 18:46
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Inconvenient Truth
defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic;
http://www.history.army.mil/html/faq/oaths.html
Is it just me or does anyone else see the inconvenient truth for those in the Executive Branch that want do do things differently than the Constitution dictates? I think the current Executive Branch gets it. Why would those sworn to uphold both the Constitution and the President be such a threat? Why be murky with communication? It is unfortunate that the current Commander in Chief never served...
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01-07-2014, 21:32
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Originally Posted by Golf1echo
defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic;
http://www.history.army.mil/html/faq/oaths.html
Is it just me or does anyone else see the inconvenient truth for those in the Executive Branch that want do do things differently than the Constitution dictates? I think the current Executive Branch gets it. Why would those sworn to uphold both the Constitution and the President be such a threat? Why be murky with communication? It is unfortunate that the current Commander in Chief never served...
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I'm not tracking your term "uphold".
No one has sworn to defend the president, except maybe the secret service. That said all members of the United States military have sworn to defend the Constitution. If and when it comes down to the idiot vacationing in the WH or defending the Constitution I'll defend the Constitution.
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01-07-2014, 21:52
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Originally Posted by Golf1echo
defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic;
http://www.history.army.mil/html/faq/oaths.html
Is it just me or does anyone else see the inconvenient truth for those in the Executive Branch that want do do things differently than the Constitution dictates? I think the current Executive Branch gets it. Why would those sworn to uphold both the Constitution and the President be such a threat? Why be murky with communication? It is unfortunate that the current Commander in Chief never served...
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Honestly, I don't think he could have gotten into the military. He certainly could not have qualified for a security clearance without being elected into office and being given one.
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01-07-2014, 22:11
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Originally Posted by Team Sergeant
I'm not tracking your term "uphold".
No one has sworn to defend the president, except maybe the secret service. That said all members of the United States military have sworn to defend the Constitution. If and when it comes down to the idiot vacationing in the WH or defending the Constitution I'll defend the Constitution.
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It is my mistake and appreciate the chance to explain, after a long day the last thing I want to see is reference to or images of J Biden, my blood pressure spiked a little bit there. 
The wordings of the current oath of enlistment and oath for commissioned officers are as follows:
"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President * of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God." (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962).
*That is quite different than what I said and I do stand corrected. I edited my sarcasm out to reflect what I was trying to say for clarity as well. Orders of the President ( Commander in Chief ) I take to be chain of command, I believe no person trumps the Constitution it is our founding document...
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01-07-2014, 23:33
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01-07-2014, 23:40
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Originally Posted by mark46th
"Robert Gates Thinks Joe Biden Hasn't Stopped Being Wrong for 40 Years"
That is code for, "He's an effing moron."
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Much more to the point.
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01-08-2014, 04:12
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Originally Posted by Golf1echo
It is my mistake and appreciate the chance to explain, after a long day the last thing I want to see is reference to or images of J Biden, my blood pressure spiked a little bit there.
The wordings of the current oath of enlistment and oath for commissioned officers are as follows:
"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President * of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God." (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962).
*That is quite different than what I said and I do stand corrected. I edited my sarcasm out to reflect what I was trying to say for clarity as well. Orders of the President ( Commander in Chief ) I take to be chain of command, I believe no person trumps the Constitution it is our founding document... |
There appears to be a built-in caveat intended to nullify the "just following orders" defense when POTUS and officers go off the Constitutional rail. Naturally, the job of determining whether questionable orders are legal falls to the JAG and possibly Eric Holder, and there's too many lawyers at the top already.
And thus, we have the law of unintended consequences.
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01-08-2014, 06:14
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Seems I have derailed the original post, did not intend for that to be the case. To respond to your post because of the quote: The oath is the one we take within the military and has to do with chain of command.
Your quote: "There appears to be a built-in caveat intended to nullify the "just following orders" defense when POTUS and officers go off the Constitutional rail"
When I served that would have been well above my pay grade. I no longer am in that chain of command and know who I respect and don't respect based on my understanding, opinion, and observations. The question you raise is much like the original questions we once faced " Taxation without representation" and others. The Constitution is a well thought out document written by better men than myself, it has guided us very well through many different events in history and is as enduring as any. For me it is sad to see what I regard as abuse of it for personal and political agendas...Should someone disagree with (or parts of ) the Constitution they need to embark on the process of changing the document not circumventing it... The system is designed to balance those abuses out in judicial, executive, and legislative branches . Yes that can be a long and drawn out process and yes there are to many lawyers, politicians, and agendas involved but those are the built in checks and balances.
Another of your quotes: " Naturally, the job of determining whether questionable orders are legal falls to the JAG and possibly Eric Holder" In the long run the courts and history will decide. As said American Soldiers take the oath to support and defend the Constitution...
Good luck with the e h thing he is part of the problem...
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01-08-2014, 06:20
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wonder how many times he wanted to smack Biden in the back of the head
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01-08-2014, 09:19
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Mr Gates has obviously spent time with Jill Biden discussing her husband. 
Gates also praised former SecState Clinton and scathingly excoriated the more recent Congresses for their ineffectiveness as a legislative body.
And so it goes...
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01-08-2014, 09:38
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Gates also praised former SecState Clinton
And so it goes...
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Perfectly understandable, given all she's accomplished in her lifetime.
Her roll-up-the-sleeves-and-get-to-work accomplishment of so many important missions is reminiscent of the stellar, landmark legislation Obama pushed through prior to his coronation.
Additionally, she's a real warrior:
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sh...g-under-sniper
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01-08-2014, 10:11
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Perfectly understandable, given all she's accomplished in her lifetime.
Her roll-up-the-sleeves-and-get-to-work accomplishment of so many important missions is reminiscent of the stellar, landmark legislation Obama pushed through prior to his coronation.
Additionally, she's a real warrior:
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sh...g-under-sniper |
Lol, 'splains her lack of credible response to Benghazi... musta been sleep deprivation...
...or PTSD.
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01-08-2014, 10:47
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