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Old 10-15-2013, 18:14   #1
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House Cancels Vote on Plan to Reopen Government

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The Republican-controlled House canceled a vote Tuesday night on a plan to reopen the federal government and raise the debt ceiling after support from conservatives for the deal crumbled, leaving Washington without a clear path forward for avoiding a first-ever default on the nation’s debt.

Later Tuesday night, Senate leaders Harry Reid and Mitch McConnell moved to pick up the pieces of the shattered House effort, with aides to both senators expressing optimism a deal could be soon at hand.

“Senator Reid and Senator McConnell have re-engaged in negotiations and are optimistic that an agreement is within reach,” said Adam Jentleson, spokesman for Reid (D-Nev.).

“Given tonight’s events, the leaders have decided to work toward a solution that would reopen the government and prevent default. They are optimistic an agreement can be reached,” said Don Stewart, spokesman to McConnell (R-Ky.).

It was already far from clear if the House proposal could attract enough support in the Democratic-controlled Senate to end Washington’s political crisis. The plan contains several provisions that Democrats have strongly opposed.

The influential conservative group Heritage Action also opposed the House proposal soon after it was announced, and conservatives close to the House leadership expressed alarm that they had shut down the government and would get nothing for it except a punitive measure restricting their own staff’s healthcare, according to senior House Republican aides.

“I’ve got one vote and I’m a no,” Rep. Thomas Massie (R-Ky.) said as he left a meeting with House Speaker John Boehner’s (R-Ohio) leadership team.

The stunning turnaround could represent yet another rebuke to Boehner, whose previous efforts at compromise have been thwarted by his party’s right flank. And with the U.S. Treasury set to exhaust its ability to borrow money on Thursday, Fitch Ratings, a credit rating agency, announced Tuesday that it was accelerating its timetable for a potential U.S. credit rating downgrade, among the first concrete effects of the standoff. If Fitch follows through, it would become the second credit rating firm to downgrade U.S. government debt, potentially triggering ripple effects across a range of financial markets.

“Political brinkmanship and reduced financing flexibility could increase the risk of a U.S. default,” Fitch said late Tuesday. “The U.S. risks being forced to incur widespread delays of payments to suppliers and employees, as well as Social Security payments to citizens — all of which would damage the perception of U.S. sovereign creditworthiness and the economy.”


Fitch’s announcment followed a day of declining optimism about efforts to resolve the crisis, , as Democrats and Republicans began attacking each other again and the White House said negotiators remained “far from a deal.’’

Just a day earlier, Senate leaders had been closing in a deal to end the two-week-old government shutdown, extend borrowing authority until Feb. 7 and fund federal agencies for three months. But the bipartisan Senate talks were put on hold Tuesday as negotiators awaited a plan from the Republican-led House.

Even the inklings of a House proposal that emerged earlier Tuesday drew immediate condemnation from Democrats, primarily because the plan would include significant changes to President Obama’s signature health-care law. Unlike the Senate proposal, the House plan originally included a two-year repeal of a medical device tax and a provision eliminating the employer health-care contribution for members of Congress and White House officials.

Later Tuesday, House Republicans regrouped around the new version of their bill, which dropped the medical device tax provision, and officials said they would bring it the House floor tonight, but later changed their minds. The new proposal was also unlikely to win bipartisan support, in part because it would fund federal agencies only through Dec. 15, creating the threat of another government shutdown just before Christmas.

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The House’s efforts have attacted derision from Democrats, who were holding firm in their opposition to what they characterized as GOP efforts to extract concessions in exchange for ensuring the nation’s fiscal health.

“It’s nothing more than a blatant attack on bipartisanship,” Senate Majority Leader Reid (D-Nev.) said of the first House proposal. Democrats, he added, “felt blindsided” by the House plan saying that it could sabotage the Senate talks.

If the renewed standoff is not resolved, it could threaten the Treasury Department’s ability to balance the nation’s financial books as early as Thursday, according to government officials and independent analysts. By then, the government would essentially be running on fumes, unable to borrow money from various sources.

Sometime next week, the Treasury would likely run short of cash, potentially imperiling some Social Security and other major payments, officials and analysts said. The nation’s first default on its debt could follow on Oct. 31, when the government could miss $6 billion in interest payments.

Despite the Obama administration’s warnings that breaching the debt ceiling Thursday could trigger a default and cause drastic economic consequences, a new Pew Research Center poll shows that a majority of Republicans and many independents don’t feel the same urgency. The poll shows 52 percent of Republicans, 38 percent of independents and 36 percent of Americans overall say the country can break the deadline without major economic problems.

Some congressional Republicans also have said the government can still pay interest on its loans even if the debt ceiling isn’t raised. White House Press Secretary Jay Carney on Tuesday labeled these Republicans “default deniers.”


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Old 10-15-2013, 19:44   #2
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Perhaps if the Republicans had been involved in the AHA in the first place this would not be happening. Time for Harry, Nancy and Barry to eat a shit sandwich. If I was Boehner I would tell the rank and file to take a long weekend starting tomorrow night if no compromise is reached.
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Old 10-16-2013, 03:52   #3
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Boehner

Boehner doesn't need the "right flank".

He can bring it to the floor and pass it with the D's and the "moderates".

Might it be the "moderates" that are against this?

Because then they would have to take a stand on something............
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Old 10-16-2013, 09:05   #4
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Because then they would have to take a stand on something............
Correct, many moderates are moderates due to their risk aversion.
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Old 10-16-2013, 14:13   #5
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NEWSFLASH

Beohner gobbles Dem cock...... I wonder how that tasted.......

Boehner says House will take up Senate budget plan
House Speaker John Boehner said Wednesday that the House "absolutely" will take up the new Senate budget plan -- even if he has to rely on mostly Democrats to pass it

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...udget-impasse/



Time for a change in leadership.....
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Old 10-16-2013, 14:51   #6
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There's that 30%

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May as well start at the top. What I see as the 2016 Republican POUTS hopefuls... as it stands:

- Paul Ryan
- Christ Christie
- Rand Paul
- Jeb Bush


Any takers?
There's that 30% again. The first four or so primaries will look like

Christie....30%
Ryan........19%
Paul.........19%
Bush........19%
Unknown..4%
Unknown..4%
Unknown..4%

After a few more states it will be

Christie....40%
Ryan........20%
Paul.........20%
Bush........20%

Just a couple of more

Christie...45%
Paul........27%
Bush.......27%

Christie gets enough delegates and sews up the nomination despite never getting over 50% in most of the primary states.

Conservative Republicans are POed again and HRC is the next President.
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Old 10-16-2013, 15:26   #7
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And then... from out of nowhere... Ted Cruz?

The current POTUS was a noob and a minority; maybe that angle will work for Cruz?
OK - Cruz

Christie....30%
Cruz.........20%
Ryan........11%
Paul.........11%
Bush........11%
Unknown..6%
Unknown..6%
Unknown..5%

The ending is still the same.
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Old 10-16-2013, 15:46   #8
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Obama himself would prolly endorse Christie.

We don't need a fat RINO with a bad attitude...oh, this guy will gobble, too.
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Old 10-16-2013, 16:07   #9
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May as well start at the top. What I see as the 2016 Republican POUTS hopefuls... as it stands:

- Paul Ryan
- Christ Christie
- Rand Paul
- Jeb Bush


Any takers?
I'm going to wait until after the Mid-term before I make any bets.

There might be a different looking Hill come next November.
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Old 10-16-2013, 16:20   #10
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What's the difference between the Democrats and Republicans?

Not much, apparently. They'll both screw you, the Republicans will just shut things down for a couple of weeks first, and then give it all up to the Dims.

I am thinking it might be nice to be an independent for a while.

Not that it really makes much difference.

And Christie is a lib hack.

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Old 10-16-2013, 16:42   #11
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What's the difference between the Democrats and Republicans?

Not much, apparently. They'll both screw you, the Republicans will just shut things down for a couple of weeks first, and then give it all up to the Dims.

I am thinking it might be nice to be an independent for a while.

Not that it really makes much difference.

And Christie is a lib hack.

TR

It was little more than a theatrical production. Healthcare premiums are going up 70%......2014 is going to be a hoot LOL!


Hopefully I live to see the day that live coverage show a bunch of them chased through the streets by an angry mob and strung up with piano wire.
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May as well start at the top. What I see as the 2016 Republican POUTS hopefuls... as it stands:

- Paul Ryan
- Christ Christie
- Rand Paul
- Jeb Bush


Any takers?
I'd vote for HRC before any of these. At least she has balls. Heck, she killed four Americans and didn't bat an eye.



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Old 10-17-2013, 06:57   #13
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What's the difference between the Democrats and Republicans?

Not much, apparently. They'll both screw you, the Republicans will just shut things down for a couple of weeks first, and then give it all up to the Dims.

I am thinking it might be nice to be an independent for a while.

Not that it really makes much difference.

And Christie is a lib hack.

TR
Never's the best time to quit, Hermano.

Hacks are infecting the ranks Congress-wide. All we have to do is replace them with reps of the character of Cruz and Lee. Shouldn't have to start from scratch.

Rinosaurs such as Boehner, McCain, McConnel and Graham's type of mincing "leadership" can be history by 12/14.

People need to get past the corny delivery and listen to the substance of what Palin is trying to exhort true Americans to do.
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Old 10-17-2013, 08:22   #14
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The D and R after their names has little or no meaning these days. Congress is functioning more like the Politburo. Any opposition is punished from their own (R) party. They even gave Dear Leader more powers to alter the debt ceiling on his own. Supposedly, House and Senate have reversed roles.

Since the media works for the politicians now, and the politicians themselves will not tell the Citizens the truth, it may be months before we learn of the real damage. If ever.
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And so it goes...

The S&P has cut the annualized U.S. growth view closer to 2% from 3%, Bloomberg is reporting.

The ratings agency — which recognizes the Senate deal will be approved — says that the shutdown has taken $24 billion out of the economy and cut 0.6% off of yearly fourth quarter GDP growth.

"If people are afraid that the government policy brinkmanship will resurface again, and with it the risk of another shutdown or worse, they'll remain afraid to open up their checkbooks. That points to another Humbug holiday season," S&P wrote in a release.

They also said the impact of the debt ceiling is getting worse by the day for the U.S. economy.

(Cont'd) http://www.businessinsider.com/sp-cu...#ixzz2hzQWBzEo

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