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Old 08-21-2012, 17:47   #1
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Special operators to anti-Obama groups: zip it

Special operators? Kimberly Dozier is there a new class of Special Operations Forces we're not aware of? (and you're the AP "Intelligence" Writer......Someones been watching too many holloyweird movies.....



Special operators to anti-Obama groups: zip it
A group of retired special operations and CIA officers who claim President Barack Obama revealed secret missions and turned the killing of Osama bin Laden into a campaign centerpiece are coming under criticism from some of their own.

By KIMBERLY DOZIER

AP Intelligence Writer

WASHINGTON —
A group of retired special operations and CIA officers who claim President Barack Obama revealed secret missions and turned the killing of Osama bin Laden into a campaign centerpiece are coming under criticism from some of their own.

Some special operations officers say the activist veterans are breaking a sacred military creed: respect for the commander in chief.

"This is an unprofessional, shameful action on the part of the operators that appear in the video, period," U.S. Army Special Forces Maj. Fernando Lujan wrote on his Facebook page, to a chorus of approval from colleagues.

A Green Beret who returned last year from Afghanistan, Lujan says that attaching the title of special operator with any political campaign is "in violation of everything we've been taught, and the opposite of what we should be doing, which is being quiet professionals."

On its website, the group called Special Ops OPSEC, short for operational security, says that Obama has taken too much personal credit for the Navy SEAL raid that killed bin Laden and hasn't recognized sufficiently the SEALs who actually carried out the raid. The group also claims that the Obama White House released classified details of the raid for the making of a Hollywood film, a claim that has not been proven.

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Old 08-21-2012, 18:40   #2
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Here's the 'Fernando' cited in the article.

Fernando Lujan
Special Forces Officer/ AfPak Hand, Visiting Fellow at CNAS

http://www.linkedin.com/in/fernandolujan

And so it goes...

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Old 08-21-2012, 19:57   #3
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I do not agree with some of the SOF personnel (especially the active duty types) for condemning certain (former and retired) Special Operations personnel. IMO they have more than earned their right to free speech, they have fought for it.

I do agree that if you're on active duty you should zip it and that would include all those now making remarks against their brothers in arms. Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Martin Dempsey is dead wrong by adding his "opinion" on the issue as he is active duty.

If anyone should "zip it" it should be all those on active duty.
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Old 08-22-2012, 04:54   #4
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Here's the 'Fernando' cited in the article.

Fernando Lujan
Special Forces Officer/ AfPak Hand, Visiting Fellow at CNAS

http://www.linkedin.com/in/fernandolujan

And so it goes...

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I knew Lujan, he was a Team Leader in C/2/7.

Not impressive by any means. IIRC he took 761 to Iraq in support of the El Sal contingent, while the rest of the Company went to A-Stan. His 18D was busted siphoning morphine or something like that. The team was mostly cherries and ALL of the senior guys jumped ship as soon as they came back.
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Old 08-22-2012, 06:23   #5
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I do not agree with some of the SOF personnel (especially the active duty types) for condemning certain (former and retired) Special Operations personnel. IMO they have more than earned their right to free speech, they have fought for it.

I do agree that if you're on active duty you should zip it and that would include all those now making remarks against their brothers in arms. Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Martin Dempsey is dead wrong by adding his "opinion" on the issue as he is active duty.

If anyone should "zip it" it should be all those on active duty.
I concur. I don't remember signing a piece of paper saying I would never have a political thought upon leaving the Army. If he is really worried about it why doesn't he tell whining Wesley Clark to shut up?????
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Old 08-22-2012, 19:54   #6
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Once we retired or ETS'd, weren't all of our Constitutional rights fully restored, or did I miss something during ACAP?
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Old 08-22-2012, 20:17   #7
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Heck, I'll say what most are thinking. The general can kiss my rear end (at least I said it politely). I am retired now and there are advantages to getting old and it's nice being able to speak your mind. OOPS! I did that while on active duty too
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Old 08-22-2012, 20:29   #8
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Once we retired or ETS'd, weren't all of our Constitutional rights fully restored, or did I miss something during ACAP?
My thoughts exactly.

I guess the CJCS would like to line up and shoot those vets that became politicians too.

He is wrong.
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Old 08-22-2012, 20:38   #9
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Special operators? Kimberly Dozier is there a new class of Special Operations Forces we're not aware of? (and you're the AP "Intelligence" Writer......Someones been watching too many holloyweird movies.....

Had to clean my keyboard cuz a this post. Thank you very much, Team Sergeant.
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My thoughts exactly.

I guess the CJCS would like to line up and shoot those vets that became politicians too.

He is wrong.
I wondered if he was "pressured" from on high to make those comments? Very few O-7's and above retain the warrior ethos as I understand it. They swim in two different oceans. In the ocean in which they were raised, they are the top of the food chain, the great white sharks. In the other, they are whale sharks, plankton eaters and politicians are gill netters. We are the plankton in that ocean.
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Old 08-23-2012, 05:08   #11
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...est=latestnews


OPSEC, a group of former military and intelligence operatives and creators of a long-form political ad that blames President Obama for a series of national security leaks, is firing back against criticisms from the nation's highest ranking military officer.

Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Martin Dempsey on Tuesday told Fox News he was "disappointed" by the political use of the military uniform.

"If someone uses the uniform, whatever uniform, for partisan politics, I am disappointed because I think it does erode that bond of trust we have with the American people,” Dempsey said in an interview with Fox News while flying back from a trip to Afghanistan and Iraq.

But Scott Taylor, a former Navy SEAL and the president of OPSEC, argues that Dempsey's criticisms can be applied equally to the Obama campaign's "One Chance" ad, which features images of Black Hawk helicopters in flight and military pilots. The video, which is still available online, suggests Gov. Mitt Romney would not have made the same decision to call for the raid that killed Usama bin Laden.

“The Obama campaign continues to promote a highly partisan attack ad that used military footage and photographs from the White House Situation Room to support sharp criticism of the president’s political opponent,” Taylor said. “The use of those in uniform and the work they do for partisan political purposes is not only unhelpful, as General Dempsey said, but is dishonorable, and the campaign should immediately remove the ad for good.”

Taylor also claimed that unlike the Obama campaign's ad, all of the men featured in the OPSEC video were former military and therefore have the right to speak freely.

"Speaking openly about protecting those in uniform is far more helpful than speaking about classified intelligence or Special Operations missions, tactics and capabilities, which bipartisan leaders have said has reached alarming levels under this administration,” Taylor said.

Dempsey had said that as the steward of his profession -- the military -- he thinks it imperative that the military remain “apolitical.”

OPSEC unveiled its 22-minute video on its website last week and pledged to go on air with a TV ad sometime in September.

In the video, an array of retired CIA agents and other intelligence personnel suggest the administration has been leaking security details for political gain, and specifically criticize the president over his public handling of the bin Laden raid.

"Mr. President, you did not kill Usama bin Laden. America did," Navy SEAL Ben Smith said in the video. "The work that the American military has done killed Usama bin Laden. You did not."

The Web video showed clips of Obama's press conference in early May on the Pakistan raid, highlighting his comments about directing the mission. The video left out the rest of the remarks in which Obama thanked the "countless intelligence and counterterrorism professionals" involved.

The Obama campaign, though, dismissed the video as akin to the 2004 "Swift Boat" ads.

"The Republicans are resorting to Swift Boat tactics because when it comes to foreign policy and national security, Mitt Romney has offered nothing but reckless rhetoric," Obama spokesman Ben LaBolt said.

The group seems to be most focused on the controversy over security leaks. Those leaks are currently under investigation by Justice Department attorneys.

The narrator in the video says former military and intelligence operatives who understand the importance of operational security "have had enough."

"Their mission -- stop the politicians from politically capitalizing on U.S. national security operations and secrets," the narrator says, as a picture of Obama flashes on screen.

Obama has condemned the leaks. He said in June that the issue is "a source of consistent frustration" for his and prior administrations.

Meanwhile, publishing giant Penguin Group has confirmed it has plans to release a book that provides a detailed, first-person account of the raid that killed Usama bin Laden. According to the publisher, the book, "No Easy Day: The Firsthand Account of the Mission That Killed Osama Bin Laden," is written under a pseudonym by a Navy SEAL who participated in the mission. It's co-authored with Kevin Maurer and is set to be released on Sept. 11.

A spokesman at Dutton, a group owned by Penguin, says proceeds from the book will be donated to charitable causes that benefit the families of fallen Navy SEALs.

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...the Obama campaign's "One Chance" ad, which features images of Black Hawk helicopters in flight and military pilots. The video, which is still available online, suggests Gov. Mitt Romney would not have made the same decision to call for the raid that killed Usama bin Laden.
Wonder how this one's gonna play out now?

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Barack Obama cancelled three operations to kill Osama bin Laden before finally going ahead with the mission at the insistence of Hillary Clinton, according to a new book.

The explosive allegation is contained in an expose by journalist Rich Miniter, who argues that the White House’s carefully-crafted narrative of Obama as a decisive leader who dispatched the al-Qaeda leader despite the doubts of advisers is a myth.

Leading from Behind: The Reluctant President and the Advisors Who Decide for Him will be published on Tuesday. Excerpts have been viewed by Mail Online.

Miniter, a former ‘Wall Street Journal’, ‘Washington Times’ and ‘Sunday Times’ of London journalist, cites an unnamed source within Joint Special Operations Command as revealing that three ‘kill’ missions were cancelled by Obama in January, February and March 2011.

(Cont'd) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-new-book.html
And so it goes...

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Old 08-23-2012, 06:40   #13
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Wonder how this one's gonna play out now?
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Minter's isn't the first such assertion as to who the women are in the WH that guide more than America seems to want to know.

I'll bet that ol' SECSTATE/Jarrett dynamic is an interesting one.
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