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Old 05-04-2012, 19:39   #1
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US Should Give Stolen Land Back to Indian Tribes

Maybe Britain ought to give hers back to the Druids, then. Then, the Druids need to give it back to the freaking Neanderthals, or whoever they got it from.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...dian-tribes-un



A United Nations investigator probing discrimination against Native Americans has called on the US government to return some of the land stolen from Indian tribes as a step toward combatting continuing and systemic racial discrimination.

James Anaya, the UN special rapporteur on the rights of indigenous peoples, said no member of the US Congress would meet him as he investigated the part played by the government in the considerable difficulties faced by Indian tribes.

Anaya said that in nearly two weeks of visiting Indian reservations, indigenous communities in Alaska and Hawaii, and Native Americans now living in cities, he encountered people who suffered a history of dispossession of their lands and resources, the breakdown of their societies and "numerous instances of outright brutality, all grounded on racial discrimination".

"It's a racial discrimination that they feel is both systemic and also specific instances of ongoing discrimination that is felt at the individual level," he said.
Anaya said racism extended from the broad relationship between federal or state governments and tribes down to local issues such as education.

"For example, with the treatment of children in schools both by their peers and by teachers as well as the educational system itself; the way native Americans and indigenous peoples are reflected in the school curriculum and teaching," he said.

"And discrimination in the sense of the invisibility of Native Americans in the country overall that often is reflected in the popular media. The idea that is often projected through the mainstream media and among public figures that indigenous peoples are either gone or as a group are insignificant or that they're out to get benefits in terms of handouts, or their communities and cultures are reduced to casinos, which are just flatly wrong."

Close to a million people live on the US's 310 Native American reservations. Some tribes have done well from a boom in casinos on reservations but most have not.

Anaya visited an Oglala Sioux reservation where the per capita income is around $7,000 a year, less than one-sixth of the national average, and life expectancy is about 50 years.

The two Sioux reservations in South Dakota – Rosebud and Pine Ridge – have some of the country's poorest living conditions, including mass unemployment and the highest suicide rate in the western hemisphere with an epidemic of teenagers killing themselves.

"You can see they're in a somewhat precarious situation in terms of their basic existence and the stability of their communities given that precarious land tenure situation. It's not like they have large fisheries as a resource base to sustain them. In basic economic terms it's a very difficult situation. You have upwards of 70% unemployment on the reservation and all kinds of social ills accompanying that. Very tough conditions," he said.

Anaya said Rosebud is an example where returning land taken by the US government could improve a tribe's fortunes as well as contribute to a "process of reconciliation".

"At Rosebud, that's a situation where indigenous people have seen over time encroachment on to their land and they've lost vast territories and there have been clear instances of broken treaty promises. It's undisputed that the Black Hills was guaranteed them by treaty and that treaty was just outright violated by the United States in the 1900s. That has been recognised by the United States supreme court," he said.

Anaya said he would reserve detailed recommendations on a plan for land restoration until he presents his final report to the UN human rights council in September.

"I'm talking about restoring to indigenous peoples what obviously they're entitled to and they have a legitimate claim to in a way that is not devisive but restorative. That's the idea behind reconciliation," he said.

But any such proposal is likely to meet stiff resistance in Congress similar to that which has previously greeted calls for the US government to pay reparations for slavery to African-American communities.

Anaya said he had received "exemplary cooperation" from the Obama administration but he declined to speculate on why no members of Congress would meet him.

"I typically meet with members of the national legislature on my country visits and I don't know the reason," he said.

Last month, the US justice and interior departments announced a $1 billion settlement over nearly 56 million acres of Indian land held in trust by Washington but exploited by commercial interests for timber, farming, mining and other uses with little benefit to the tribes.

The attorney general, Eric Holder, said the settlement "fairly and honourably resolves historical grievances over the accounting and management of tribal trust funds, trust lands and other non-monetary trust resources that, for far too long, have been a source of conflict between Indian tribes and the United States."

But Anaya said that was only a step in the right direction.

"These are important steps but we're talking about mismanagement by the government of assets that were left to indigenous peoples," he said. "This money for the insults on top of the injury. It's not money for the initial problem itself, which is the taking of vast territories. This is very important and I think the administration should be commended for moving forward to settle these claims but there are these deeper issues that need to be addressed."

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Old 05-04-2012, 19:56   #2
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What a freakin idiot......that is what you get when you appoint a 'politcal advocate' to anything and that is just what the UN wanted.
The worst thing the Govt. ever did was 'give' land/money whatever to the dif tribes......they live in socialist squalor because of it.
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Old 05-04-2012, 20:17   #3
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James Anaya, the UN special racketeer on the rights of indigenous peoples, ---------------- ad nauseum.
Mejor dicho.
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Old 05-04-2012, 20:17   #4
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While they're at it, the feds should give all the land they currently control back to the states.
Every national park, national forest, wildlife refuge, BLM lands, and especially all of those lands which have oil and gas under them.

They can have D.C.
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Old 05-04-2012, 20:41   #5
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The first and only land that I would agree to giving back to its original owners would be the land that the U.N sits on in New York City. I would then kick these sorry individuals asses out of our COUNTRY!
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Old 05-05-2012, 02:17   #6
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I guess having the reservations closed and telling them to go out and get jobs like the rest of us is out of the question. Unless they wish to live like their ancestors did (much like the Amish).
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Old 05-05-2012, 03:18   #7
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Old 05-05-2012, 05:18   #8
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I like to see all that Federal land sold to pay off the national debt. And then in an ideal world let's get out of the UN and throw the bums out of New York. They just aren't worth all the hassles they create.
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Of course, the indian side of my family is pretty happy with the crappy land they were given on the reservation that no one wanted. Can you say "Black Gold". They're filthy rich..
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We used to do medical and engineering project nation building MTTs to the reservations in the early 70s under MG Emerson's SPARTAN programs; they needed the aid. Our Group CDR had property and relatives in Arizona so we wound up providing NHS MEDCAP support and BIA directed engineering projects mostly to the Navajo, Hopi, and Havasupai tribes there in Arizona, although some teams did go work with tribes in Montana, Utah, and the Dakotas.

As far as the UN-American.org thinking in that article goes - astounding - but certainly not unexpected.

And for the 'pink font' crowd here...a poster I'm surprised the UN didn't include in their report.

And so it goes...

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While they're at it, the feds should give all the land they currently control back to the states.
Every national park, national forest, wildlife refuge, BLM lands, and especially all of those lands which have oil and gas under them.

They can have D.C.


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Maybe Britain ought to give hers back to the Druids, then. Then, the Druids need to give it back to the freaking Neanderthals, or whoever they got it from.

If you are going to make comparisons, compare apples to apples. As far as I can tell, there never were any treaties signed by the Brits promising the Druids land of their own so they could live as they chose to.

The US Government on the other hand, the Government mind you, actually entered into treaties with various tribes, as many as 500 treaties at one point, through out the years. Most of these treaties were never honored and or were broken by the US Government. We expect the US Government to uphold the promises they make to the people so why shouldn't the existing treaties promised to the various tribes be recognized and honored today? The simple truth of the matter is that the Government at the time saw an opportunity and chose to pursue it over honoring their word.

The reason no one from Congress would meet with the author of that article is that any educated man in the US knows that the US Government royally screwed over the Native Americans and to actually try and go back and honor the agreements that were entered into and that are still valid today, would fundamentally unravel society. Imagine if the treaties were enforced and the land was given back and you got a notice in the mail from the US Government saying:

"Hey, we're sorry, but a long time ago we legally entered into an agreement and promised this land to the native Americans and by law, it's rightfully theirs. So now that house/business and the land it sits on that you thought you owned now belongs to someone else and were gonna have to ask that you move out as soon as possible, thanks".

How well do you think something like that would go over? I highly doubt any of you have lived on a reservation or have a real idea of the poverty that most reservations deal with. Not every tribe has a casino, thats another stereotype and misconception.

De Oppresso Liber is the motto we live by and espouse. Yet we have forgotten about the oppressed right here at home.
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Of course, the indian side of my family is pretty happy with the crappy land they were given on the reservation that no one wanted. Can you say "Black Gold". They're filthy rich..
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If you are going to make comparisons, compare apples to apples. As far as I can tell, there never were any treaties signed by the Brits promising the Druids land of their own so they could live as they chose to.

The US Government on the other hand, the Government mind you, actually entered into treaties with various tribes, as many as 500 treaties at one point, through out the years. Most of these treaties were never honored and or were broken by the US Government. We expect the US Government to uphold the promises they make to the people so why shouldn't the existing treaties promised to the various tribes be recognized and honored today? The simple truth of the matter is that the Government at the time saw an opportunity and chose to pursue it over honoring their word.

The reason no one from Congress would meet with the author of that article is that any educated man in the US knows that the US Government royally screwed over the Native Americans and to actually try and go back and honor the agreements that were entered into and that are still valid today, would fundamentally unravel society. Imagine if the treaties were enforced and the land was given back and you got a notice in the mail from the US Government saying:

"Hey, we're sorry, but a long time ago we legally entered into an agreement and promised this land to the native Americans and by law, it's rightfully theirs. So now that house/business and the land it sits on that you thought you owned now belongs to someone else and were gonna have to ask that you move out as soon as possible, thanks".

How well do you think something like that would go over? I highly doubt any of you have lived on a reservation or have a real idea of the poverty that most reservations deal with. Not every tribe has a casino, thats another stereotype and misconception.

De Oppresso Liber is the motto we live by and espouse. Yet we have forgotten about the oppressed right here at home.
I'm with you on this one. Good post.
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Old 05-05-2012, 10:30   #15
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I'm with you on this one. Good post.
Me too! Very good post.
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