03-28-2010, 19:14
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Hutaree Militia
What worries me is that I've encountered people like this in the military.
http://hutaree.com/
Check out their embedded youtube videos at the bottom of the page...
In one of the videos they set up a trip-wire triggered explosive device (a small one albeit) and have a guy in old-style Bundeswehr camo trigger it. Shortly after that they burn a UN flag and "storm" a flagpole so they can hoist up their own flag.
Rather disturbing....
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03-28-2010, 21:29
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The 'Evil Jew' forum is a tip off they aren't firing on all cylinders......I did enjoy their version of Bear Gryllls.... TEOTWAWKI MAN
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03-28-2010, 22:20
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This from the Detroit Free Press:
http://www.freep.com/article/2010032...-militia-group
Fed raids in Michigan may be tied to Hutaree, a Christian-militia group
By Niraj Warikoo
Free Press Staff Writer
Posted: 3:20 p.m. March 28, 2010 | Updated: 7:53 p.m. today
Federal agents conducted raids over the weekend in Lenawee and Washtenaw counties that news media reports linked to Hutaree, a Christian-militia group in the area.
Agents also conducted raids in Indiana and Ohio and arrested at least three people. FBI spokesman Scott Wilson in Cleveland said agents arrested two people Saturday after raids in two Ohio towns. A third arrest made in northeast Illinois stemmed from a raid in northwest Indiana. The arrests are part of an ongoing investigation led by the FBI in Michigan, according to a statement from agents in Illinois.
The raids in Michigan took place Saturday and Sunday at undisclosed locations, said Detroit FBI Special Agent Sandra Berchtold.
“We can confirm that there were law enforcement activities in the Lenawee/Washtenaw County area,” Berchtold said.
But she added that “the federal warrants are sealed and we cannot comment at this time.” ....
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A note about the author:
http://www.justicejournalism.org/fel...j_warikoo.html
9/11 Security and Liberty Fellowships, 2004-2005
Niraj Warikoo
Staff Writer
The Detroit Free Press
Niraj Warikoo is a staff writer for the Detroit Free Press, where he covers the region’s Arab-American and Muslim communities and reports on regions to the west of Detroit. He has investigated company negligence in workplace deaths, reported in India on the use of child labor in cigarette production, and exposed Michigan's decade-long neglect of its wetlands. . After the 9/11 attacks, he spoke about Arab and Muslim issues on NPR, MSNBC’s Hardball Show, C-SPAN, and the BBC. . Warikoo also covered the effect of the war on terrorism on the people in Michigan. In one terror case, his newspaper filed suit to open up immigration hearings that were closed to him by the Justice Department. Last year, he revealed how the Pentagon tapped Iraqi-Americans to lead reconstruction efforts. Raised in Pennsylvania, Warikoo graduated from Columbia University with a Bachelor’s degree in political science and a master’s in journalism. He has spoken at several forums, including the Investigative Reporters and Editors conference, Poynter National Writers Workshop, a Smithsonian exhibit on 9/11, and the UNITY convention in Washington D.C.
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03-29-2010, 00:00
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I've always wondered what people like this do during the day. Do they have jobs? Do they just hang out and wait to see if something is going to happen?
What are they shooting at in that video, I didn't see a single target. I get they want to look cool but seriously whats the point they couldn't even tell if they hit anything.
edited to add: I just watched some of their "Training Vids" and I love how they repeatedly flag each other and the camera, and I almost feel bad for the guy who got stuck with the 10/22
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03-29-2010, 06:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fng13
I've always wondered what people like this do during the day. Do they have jobs? Do they just hang out and wait to see if something is going to happen?
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Those I know about do have jobs. Some go to church, take kids to the movies, garden, blog, browse, etc. Ron Paul and Alex Jones appear to get a lot of air time in their ranks......from which you can draw your own conclusions.
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03-29-2010, 06:34
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More on this...
Stated the warrants were sealed so it may not have been something the ADA may use for charges. Then again, I hear threats were made so you never know.
Some extensive raids. The most detail I found was here.
I also heard rumors that extensive commo gear was found to include Radio antennas and sat dishes.
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03-29-2010, 06:53
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I also heard rumors that extensive commo gear was found to include Radio antennas and sat dishes.
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Provided they were not operating in violation of FCC rules, how is this illegal in these United States?
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03-29-2010, 07:01
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I heard about the raids this morning on the news while heading into work. There was mention that the group was making pipe bombs about 20 miles down the road from me. Not a lot of info is coming out just yet.
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03-29-2010, 08:07
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The raids may be a response to alleged threats members of this group made against members of the religion of peace. I am awaiting the FBI raids on the numerous Jamaat ul-Fuqra compounds located throughout the USA.
Quote:
Christian Militia Raid: Were the Hutaree Targeted for Threats Against Muslims?
Leader of Michigan Militia Group Says Christian Extremists Begged for Help After FBI Raid
By DAN HARRIS and SARAH NETTER
March 29, 2010—
Investigators are expected to release more information today in the raid on a Christian militia group, with one person involved in the militia movement suggesting the shadowy group had made threats against Muslims.
"Obviously someone has a source or a wiretap or intel is coming to them in some form or fashion to trigger, 'Alright we are not going to let these guys take one step further in this operation. We are going to take them down,'" ABC News consultant and former FBI agent Brad Garrett said.
Federal officials have remained tightlipped about the three-state raid Sunday that nabbed seven people and arrest records have been sealed. Michael Lackomar, the leader of Southeast Michigan Volunteer Militia, a separate Michigan-based militia group, told ABC News he heard that threats toward Islamic groups made by extremist group the Hutaree may have fueled the arrests.
The suspects are due in court today.
A person claiming to be a member of the Hutaree posted a message online pleading for help and claiming that officials "broke into homes and took children and used the tasers on wives ... AND my son who is 12."
The raids were conducted Sunday in Michigan, Ohio and Illinois, federal officials confirmed to the Associated Press, though they did not mention the Hutaree specifically.
Lackomar, said several members of the Hutaree, which have trained with the SMVM on occasion, showed up on the doorstep of one of his colleagues shortly after the raid.
"They were asking for a place to hide as it were and he wasn't willing to assist them in that manner," Lackomar said.
On their Web site, the Hutaree -- which they say means "Christian warriors" -- say they are prepared to defend all those who belong to Christ and save those who aren't." A video shows members patrolling the woods with camouflage and weapons preparing for the arrival of the anti-Christ."
"The Hutaree will one day see its enemy and meet him on the battlefield if so God wills it," the Web site claims.
Militia Leader: Hutaree Like a Cult
Despite the connection between the groups, Lackomar said the Hutaree are not truly part fo the militia movement, but more like a cult.
"They believe that this is the end of the world as prophesized by the Bible and it is their duty to take up arms to fight alongside Jesus against the impending forces of Satan," he said.
"We are community-based," Lackomar said of the SMVM. "We are willing to accept anybody that lives among us that wants to protect themselves, their neighborhood, wants to help out in times of emergency."
Going after a group like the Hutaree can be dangerous, Garrett said.
"This crowd tends to be heavily armed and they are all conspiracy theorists that the government is trying to take over," he said. "And so you have to be very careful and cautious when starting arresting people like this because you can walk right into an ambush."
Lackomar said members of the Hutaree dressed identically, carried the same equipment and weapons and called themselves by biblical-sounding names.
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/TheLaw/chr...ry?id=10228716
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03-29-2010, 09:02
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I am awaiting the FBI raids on the numerous Jamaat ul-Fuqra compounds located throughout the USA.
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03-29-2010, 09:58
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Smoke and mirrors.
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03-29-2010, 11:08
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I am awaiting the FBI raids on the numerous Jamaat ul-Fuqra compounds located throughout the USA.
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Or how about MS13, Latin Kings, H.A. et al. If domestic terrorism is a real threat (and I believe it is) then the gangs should be added to the list. I know that law enforcement aggressively investigates the gangs, but considering them domestic terrorists might help fund some local efforts. At the very least, it would shed more light on the problem.
As to the video, just because they look like clowns running through their back yards doesn't make them irrelevant or less dangerous. I have seen many Al Queda training videos on the news that looked ridiculous with a hooded terrorist doing a jump spin kick to disarm his foe, and yet...
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03-29-2010, 11:14
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indictments unsealed
Here and Here.
Seditious Conspiracy, Attempt to Use Weapons of Mass Destruction, Teaching/Demonstrating Use of Explosive Materials and two counts of Carrying, Using and Posessing a Firearm During and in Relation to a Crime of Violence.
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03-29-2010, 11:54
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Or how about MS13, Latin Kings, H.A. et al. If domestic terrorism is a real threat (and I believe it is) then the gangs should be added to the list. I know that law enforcement aggressively investigates the gangs, but considering them domestic terrorists might help fund some local efforts. At the very least, it would shed more light on the problem.
As to the video, just because they look like clowns running through their back yards doesn't make them irrelevant or less dangerous. I have seen many Al Queda training videos on the news that looked ridiculous with a hooded terrorist doing a jump spin kick to disarm his foe, and yet...
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Every major city and a lot of smaller one's have 'gang task forces". They arrest and put away as fast as they can, it's like a hydrilla. Cut off one part and another takes it place. Just watched a documentary on it last weekend. History channel I think.
News Commentator say this Hutaree group had a plan to kill one cop, then when he/she gets buried and a lot of cops are there, blow them all up. Scary as heck plan.
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03-29-2010, 12:04
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I'm well aware of the Gang task forces. As stated, I know that Law enforcement prosecutes them. My point was that they should also classify them as domestic terror groups.
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