11-27-2011, 07:33
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Tensions Flare Between US and Pakistan After Strike
This could get ugly...
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Tensions Flare Between US and Pakistan After Strike
NYT, 26 nOV 2011
Pakistani officials said on Saturday that NATO aircraft had killed at least 25 soldiers in strikes against two military posts at the northwestern border with Afghanistan, and the country’s supreme army commander called them unprovoked acts of aggression in a new flash point between the United States and Pakistan.
The Pakistani government responded by ordering the Central Intelligence Agency to vacate the drone operations it runs from Shamsi Air Base, in western Pakistan, within 15 days. It also closed the two main NATO supply routes into Afghanistan, including the one at Torkham. NATO forces receive roughly 40 percent of their supplies through that crossing, which runs through the Khyber Pass, and Pakistan gave no estimate for how long the routes might be shut down.
A NATO spokesman said it was likely that allied airstrikes caused the Pakistani casualties, but said an investigation had been ordered to determine the cause.
In Washington, American officials were scrambling to assess what had happened amid preliminary reports that allied forces in Afghanistan engaged in a firefight along the border and called in airstrikes. Senior Obama administration officials were also weighing the implications on a relationship that took a sharp turn for the worse after a Navy Seal commando raid killed Osama bin Laden near Islamabad in May, and that has deteriorated since then.
(cont'd) http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/27/wo...-soldiers.html
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11-27-2011, 07:56
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No supplies = No money
No Supplies should equal No money.
When they announced the border closing we should have announced the suspension of money - with a real nice flowery political message saying we were sure a political solution could be found.
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11-27-2011, 09:43
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No Supplies should equal No money.
When they announced the border closing we should have announced the suspension of money - with a real nice flowery political message saying we were sure a political solution could be found.
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You'd think the honchos would take that COA automatically.
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11-27-2011, 10:37
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I'm sure that the US Ground Force Commander, unable to read a map and unaware he was near the border, decided to begin a firefight with the Pakistani Army (who was asleep in their barracks, peacefully napping) and then use the VERY loose rules on CAS and target identification in Afghanistan to bomb them. Repeatedly.
After all, Pakistan has been an honest broker and trustworthy partner in that theater. I could never imagine that they would fire on US Forces, for any reason.
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11-27-2011, 13:59
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No Supplies should equal No money.
When they announced the border closing we should have announced the suspension of money - with a real nice flowery political message saying we were sure a political solution could be found.
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Pete,
How much you want to bet we will offer "MORE"(  ) money to make peace with them........... 
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11-27-2011, 14:14
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After all, Pakistan has been an honest broker and trustworthy partner in that theater. I could never imagine that they would fire on US Forces, for any reason.
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Hilarious.
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11-27-2011, 14:31
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Tensions were already strained and Pakistan has wanted to get rid of drone operations long ago. Now this gives them the leverage to do just that. The supply lines is a double blow squeezing manpower and operational assets out of their country. Seems like they appear ready to make other alliances, or strengthen those they might have already been leaning towards.
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11-27-2011, 15:13
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Tensions were already strained and Pakistan has wanted to get rid of drone operations long ago. Now this gives them the leverage to do just that. The supply lines is a double blow squeezing manpower and operational assets out of their country. Seems like they appear ready to make other alliances, or strengthen those they might have already been leaning towards.
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Silver lining is that maybe they'll stop importing knives.
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11-27-2011, 15:18
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It also closed the two main NATO supply routes into Afghanistan, including the one at Torkham. NATO forces receive roughly 40 percent of their supplies through that crossing...
...and where Pakistan coincidentally gets 100 percent of their supplies.
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11-27-2011, 17:21
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Pakistan.
In Oct 69 I did an area study on the country. Our unit had the small teams capable of jumping in and setting the timer and hauling ass. Not much more need be said. Pakistan was mainly Urdu speaking if I recall. The truth is that the Britanica had the best INFO then. Also National Geo.
I always wondered why Pakistan was our AO back then? We must have known much more even back then as compared to what we admit?
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11-27-2011, 21:17
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Sounds like things are fixing to get a lil western with pakistan.
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11-28-2011, 05:29
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Pete,
How much you want to bet we will offer "MORE"( ) money to make peace with them...........
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We should offer them part of our smallpox stockpile.....
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11-28-2011, 06:44
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We should offer them part of our smallpox stockpile.....
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LMAO......... 
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11-28-2011, 07:56
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Found this news quote in a Fox News article about the incident. Has to be the stupidest quote ever. We need them for peace talks with Warlords.
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A complete breakdown in the relationship between the United States and Pakistan is considered unlikely. Pakistan relies on billions of dollars in American aid, and the U.S. needs Pakistan to push Afghan insurgents to participate in peace talks.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/11...#ixzz1f0Z4jyrZ
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11-28-2011, 17:33
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Peace talks are favored by parties seeking peace with other belligerants. If you are obviously winning, and believe you are going to win no matter what, you aren't going to care about peace talks or their outcome; it's irrelevant. Did we seek Peace Talks on day 2 of the Gulf War? Iraq Invasion? Afghanistan November 2001? No. The idea probably seems rediculous to you, doesn't it... Why seek peace when you're busy rearranging their country with large quantities of ordanance. Vietnam? Korea? Oh, yes, lets sit down and work out our differences like gentleman.
The fact that we are actively trying to make peace through diplomacy, and the Taliban are not, probably speaks volumes as to the eventual winners of that conflict.
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