08-30-2010, 19:59
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Is it safe to ruck with a army issue Duffel?
I've been rucking with a duffle for the past two weeks because my ruck is in a container headed out of country. It starts to hurt my back about one mile into the ruck march.
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08-30-2010, 20:00
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Uhm, are you serious?
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08-30-2010, 20:11
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"Safe" would seem to be a shades of gray term in this context IMHO. I mean it has straps and it carries weight. There were likely generations of men who once carried more with less. There are still Sherpas in Nepal who carry huge baskets with a rope across their forehead.
As the RI's said, "Its a technique, but not the preferred technique."
I wouldn't go too far, or with too much weight.
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08-30-2010, 21:15
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You're asking if it's safe and it's hurting you back? I've got nothing else.
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08-30-2010, 21:41
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Originally Posted by NoRoadtrippin
"Safe" would seem to be a shades of gray term in this context IMHO. I mean it has straps and it carries weight. There were likely generations of men who once carried more with less. There are still Sherpas in Nepal who carry huge baskets with a rope across their forehead.
As the RI's said, "Its a technique, but not the preferred technique."
I wouldn't go too far, or with too much weight.
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I was thinking the same thing. People used worst equipment and had to go further distances.
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08-31-2010, 04:43
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Ask "Why?"
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Originally Posted by tequila
I've been rucking with a duffle for the past two weeks because my ruck is in a container headed out of country. It starts to hurt my back about one mile into the ruck march.
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Ask "Why?"
Oh, not why are you rucking with a Duffle Bag - but why does it hurt your back?
Most rucks have some sort of external or internal frame. Assault pack still have some sort of "soft frame". All allow a load to be packed flat.
Look at your duffle bag. What have you packed in it for weight? How does the weight sit in the bag? The bag was made to carry a large volume a short distance - somewhat slowly. Not go 12 miles at Mach 1. Fill it up and the sausage swings from side to side. Put a sandbag in it and it sits at the bottom. Try and bungie cord/tie it up and now you have ropes against your back.
While it may have straps - getting a load packed right would be very hard to do.
Get a good heavy duty assault pack and use it when your ruck is on the road. Besides - you can use the assault pack as a carry on.
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08-31-2010, 11:26
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I put a big piece of cardboard in the duffel and after I pack I wrapped it with bungie cord. It felt 10x better. Thanks all.
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08-31-2010, 12:24
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There is a fine line between hard and stupid---don't cross it.
The reason so many "old guys" limp around is because they did/were forced to do STUPID SHIT when they were young and thought they were immortal.
Go get a rucksack that is set up right.
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08-31-2010, 14:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tequila
I've been rucking with a duffle for the past two weeks because my ruck is in a container headed out of country. It starts to hurt my back about one mile into the ruck march.
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No kidding?
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Originally Posted by Fonzy
Uhm, are you serious?
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Apparently, yes, he's serious
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You're asking if it's safe and it's hurting you back? I've got nothing else.
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Nor I.
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Originally Posted by tequila
I put a big piece of cardboard in the duffel and after I pack I wrapped it with bungie cord. It felt 10x better. Thanks all.
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Wow. Just, Wow.
18D advice - get a friggin psych eval, stat. You are either psychotically cheap or you are a masochist.
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08-31-2010, 14:46
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You are either psychotically cheap or you are a masochist.
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You say that like those are bad things...
But to the question at hand...it seems like you need to modify your routine for the next couple of weeks...if you've been rucking for some time, your body could use a change in routine...if you've just started, you aren't going to drop back very far...
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08-31-2010, 14:58
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You are either psychotically cheap or you are a masochist.
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Or both!
On a serious note, besides this thread there are two other threads you have started in your one month here at PS.com. Both generated some "corrective action" responses from QP's.
Your profile states that you are an E-2 ,and that you are "interested in a career in SF and beyond".
Although an E-2 should be "cut some slack" - you don't seem to be "getting the hang" of PS.com. I doubt in your month here that you have taken the time to thoroughly read many of the threads - let alone most of them. You should remedy that situation asap.
In the future, if you feel the urge to start a thread, do me a favor: PM me first. I'll be polite and let you know if it is "good to go" or will make you look like an E-2 with little chance of ever making SF, or maybe even E-3.
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08-31-2010, 15:22
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In the future, if you feel the urge to start a thread, do me a favor: PM me first. I'll be polite and let you know if it is "good to go" or will make you look like an E-2 with little chance of ever making SF, or maybe even E-3.
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ZD you are a getting soft....I was going to post a little more stern warning.... 
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08-31-2010, 15:25
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Sorry about that. Old age does that sometimes. 
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09-06-2010, 20:37
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Maybe he calls himself Tequila for a reason. Tequila you are not hydrating your self with a couple of shots before, during and after are you? Listen to what is being said here. The search button is incredibly friendly.
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09-07-2010, 11:54
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And how exectly does a duffle bag provide the training and experience of the correct use of the most overlooked portion of a ruck ... the waist strap. It's important to learn when to put a load on the hips and take it off the shoulders, if only for a while.
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