02-22-2010, 05:54
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NRA gun instructor shoots student by accident
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A gun instructor accidently shot a student in the foot Saturday during an NRA class to receive certification to carry a concealed weapon, Orlando police said.
Robert Frauman Jr., 50, was taken to Florida Hospital after instructor Michael Phillips' firearm discharged about 11:45 a.m., police said.
Phillips, 32, could not be reached for comment. The accident happened at Summit Church, located in a former movie theater near he Fashion Square mall.
The bullet went through a table before it hit Frauman, said Kristy-Lee Lawley, the church's communications director. She said Frauman, a member of the church, was "recovering well" and the bullet didn't break any bones.
Frauman was one of three students in the class, which was not a church-sponsored event, Lawley said. She said the church offered an upstairs conference room for free after some church members requested to have the class there. Lawley said the church is empty on Saturdays and this was the first class of its kind there.
"We won't be having anything like that in our church in the future," Lawley said.
The church with 2,500 members is headed by Pastor Isaac Hunter, son of the Rev. Joel Hunter, senior pastor of the Longwood-based megachurch Northland, A Church Distributed. The churches are not affiliated.
The NRA has a rule against bringing ammunition into a class, said Tom Wagner, a NRA instructor in Orlando who was not involved in Saturday's shooting. He said the association has "no problem yanking a certification if the rules are being broken."
This was not the first time something's gone wrong during a gun demonstration in Orlando. In 2004, a special agent with the Drug Enforcement Administration shot himself in the thigh with a .40-caliber Glock pistol while talking to schoolchildren about gun safety.
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02-22-2010, 06:45
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This jackassery hurts us all.
NO AMMO IN THE CLASSROOM, STUDENT OR INSTRUCTOR.
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02-22-2010, 17:04
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Originally Posted by The Reaper
This jackassery hurts us all.
NO AMMO IN THE CLASSROOM, STUDENT OR INSTRUCTOR.
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That Golden Rule (among others) was at the bottom of every page of my instructor handbook for the first day.
It was put there by the company that certified me and we had it pounded into our heads.
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02-22-2010, 18:23
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VA Gun safety
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02-22-2010, 19:55
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Originally Posted by The Reaper
This jackassery hurts us all.
NO AMMO IN THE CLASSROOM, STUDENT OR INSTRUCTOR.
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Yes it does and good call.
Firearms safety is critical at all times.
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02-23-2010, 10:35
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I saw a SF Lt Col take over a M 16 safety class to demonstrate his talents.
He promptly shot a guy's hat off his head.
He then threw the fully loaded 16 on the ground as hard as he could with about 10 people standing around in a little group.
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02-23-2010, 13:05
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He promptly shot a guy's hat off his head.
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That's good shootin!
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02-23-2010, 14:54
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Broadsword2004, it appears to be the former instead of the latter.
Every time I read one of these stories I end up running myself through basic firearms safety all over again. Sadly I've seen too many people who are currently enlisted who should be allowed to hold pellet guns, much less actual rifles.
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02-23-2010, 15:06
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I saw a SF Lt Col take over a M 16 safety class to demonstrate his talents.
He promptly shot a guy's hat off his head.
He then threw the fully loaded 16 on the ground as hard as he could with about 10 people standing around in a little group.
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I'm sure it wasn't funny at the time, but it is funniest thing I ever read.  Please tell me he one of those stuff shirt guys? I bet you've told this story more then once.
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you mean he took over to demonstrate his talents at handling a weapon safely and then accidentally fired it and shot a guy's hat off
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Stop. You're killing me.
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02-25-2010, 16:21
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02-25-2010, 17:34
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On the other front. They don't allow Dummy rounds on the Range where I work. No Dummy Rounds on the same Range as live Ammo. Of course this is stupid. Because we need to use Dummy rounds when teaching students and to carry out the Ball and Dummy drill.
Yes there are other ways to do it. But it's just dumb to put Dummy rounds in the same category as Blank Rounds.
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02-25-2010, 17:35
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Not all 'accidents' are accidental.
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