End of “Global Warming”debate – common sense wins

Surf n Turf · 11-20-2009, 11:29

Suspicions confirmed – Junk Science is now coming on display. Wonder how this will impact “cap & tax”
SnT

Climate Research Unit has been hacked –
The details on this are still sketchy, we’ll probably never know what went on. But it appears that University of East Anglia Climate Research Unit has been hacked and many many files have been released by the hacker or person unknown.
The file was large, about 61 megabytes, containing hundreds of files. An unknown person put postings on some climate skeptic websites that advertised an FTP file on a Russian FTP server, here is the message that was placed on the Air Vent today:

Email “I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline.”

The smoking gun to finally destroy the fraud of global warming appears to have arrived. Hacking of the Hadley Climate Research Unit in Britain where all the bigger names (Mann, Jones, Briffa, et al) in the AGW fraud spout their lies from. Huge file of 61 megabytes released by the hacker in which the various players admit to changing data, etc. etc. etchttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2390574/posts
http://www.climateaudit.org/

Leaked FOIA files 62 mb of gold
There are several comments about scientists wanting to hide their environmentalist views to promote the best results
http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/200...old/#more-6188

Snaquebite · 11-20-2009, 12:44

Apparently this is breaking slowly, google is bring up more and more hits...

Quote:

The crimes revealed in the e-mails promise to be the global warming scandal of the century — and have massive bearing on the climate change legislation being considered by our lawmakers here at home.

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/11/20...f-the-century/

**Kyobanim** · 11-20-2009, 13:27

I guess they faked physical evidence too. Hmm, those guys are pretty good.

greenberetTFS · 11-20-2009, 13:37

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Originally Posted by Kyobanim

I guess they faked physical evidence too. Hmm, those guys are pretty good.

K,

I'm trying to read you on this,do you think this is all BS?

Big Teddy

**Kyobanim** · 11-20-2009, 13:40

I have no opinion on this other than it is impossible for 6 billion people to live on this planet and not have an impact on the environment.

That being said, climate change only has a long term impact on humans. The planet will take care of the problems we cause in its own time.

And yes, I think a lot of this is BS, on both sides. It's like politics, there's left and right and the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

And what the hell are those women wearing in your avatar?

Snaquebite · 11-20-2009, 13:42

Made it on Fox...
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,576009,00.html

greenberetTFS · 11-20-2009, 13:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyobanim

I have no opinion on this other than it is impossible for 6 billion people to live on this planet and not have an impact on the environment.

That being said, climate change only has a long term impact on humans. The planet will take care of the problems we cause in its own time.

And yes, I think a lot of this is BS, on both sides. It's like politics, there's left and right and the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

And what the hell are those women wearing in your avatar?

K,

Scarves..............

By the way I think your comments are well taken...........

Big Teddy

Snaquebite · 11-20-2009, 14:04

I am curious how this will pan out. There is a lot of pending legislation out there that is one way or another tied to GW.

nmap · 11-20-2009, 15:16

Some of the e-mails put the climate center in a remarkably bad light.

LINK

Here's a link to the files - all 61 MB of them.

LINK

levinj · 11-21-2009, 09:27

I find it interesting and a bit troubling that these e-mails came to light through a hacker.

While I fully acknowledge that the scientists who favor global warming have an agenda, shouldn't we be asking what the agenda of this hacker was? And for that matter, whether all of these e-mails are accurate.

11-21-2009, 09:37

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Originally Posted by levinj

I find it interesting and a bit troubling that these e-mails came to light through a hacker.

While I fully acknowledge that the scientists who favor global warming have an agenda, shouldn't we be asking what the agenda of this hacker was? And for that matter, whether all of these e-mails are accurate.

Objective truth is a pretty good agenda trump card.

levinj · 11-21-2009, 10:09

Howard,

If we knew who it was, we could judge their intent a lot easier. As it is, who's to say that they didn't tamper with some of these e-mails? I've read of one scientist admitting to the accuracy of a single e-mail, but nothing beyond that. I could have missed it, though.

It doesn't trouble you that these e-mails came to light because someone committed a felony? It makes me wonder whether these are a by-product of some other criminal activity. Did the person hack into the system specifically to find the e-mails, or did they come across them while doing any number of criminal activities and decide it'd make a good smoke-screen for the security breach?

All of that said, I'm curious to see how this plays out. In a way, it reminds me of the Leibniz-Newton calculus dispute, where private letters were often published in libels. Apparently, science has a long history of this sort of thing.

11-21-2009, 10:26

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Originally Posted by levinj

Howard,

If we knew who it was, we could judge their intent a lot easier. As it is, who's to say that they didn't tamper with some of these e-mails? I've read of one scientist admitting to the accuracy of a single e-mail, but nothing beyond that. I could have missed it, though.

I'm not certifying it's veracity, I'm setting a high standard for an item that need not be overly critiqued with respect to the agenda of the person releasing it.

Every leak represents the agenda of the leaker. Without leakers, Washington political reporting would be non-existent. My only regret is that leaking and reporting national security information is not likely to be punished.

JJ_BPK · 11-21-2009, 10:33

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Originally Posted by HowardCohodas

Objective truth is a pretty good agenda trump card.

More People More Gas,,, BUT

Look at the percent of people gas as it pertains to other gaseators...

I found this poster the other day. I think the data is accurate and that the PC Tree-huger crowd is manipulating the WORLD to their agenda.

Now, there is a correlation between the number of humans and cows. Less humans, less cows.. Except in parts of the world where Cows are considered deities..

And for that matter less humans means less cars, planes, trains, & factories..

Unfortunately,, no matter how many or few humans we have. Trees will continue to grow, die, & decompose and turn into OIL. The earth will continue to have Volcano's. The Sun will have storms that heat the earth...

Quote:

Please consider:
An academic's career rises exponentially to the volume of his/her success in publishing in their choisen field,,
or any field that gets appropriate media coverage...

Ba Da Bing...

GratefulCitizen · 11-21-2009, 12:16

Always wondered what caused the concurrent "global warming" on Mars and the moons of Jupiter.

Perhaps it's that big thermonuclear fire going on in the center of the solar system.

Hmmm...
If it burns hotter, things warm up.
If it burns less hot, things cool down.