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Old 10-11-2009, 21:55   #1
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http://www.wten.com/global/story.asp?s=11283345

Soldier suspended from school

Posted: Oct 8, 2009 04:26 PM

A NEWS10 EXCLUSIVE
By MARK O'BRIEN

LANSINGBURGH -- High school senior Matthew Whalen is the kind of student any parent would want.

He's an Eagle Scout, on the honor roll, taking Advanced Placement classes, and never been in trouble with the law. He's received commendations from the City of Troy and the Boy Scouts of America for saving a woman's life, and this past summer, he completed Army basic training. All of it was accomplished before the age of 17.

"I'm just trying to do what I can while I can," Matthew says.

His goal is to attend the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, a dream since he was in grade school.

"I have a first-grade yearbook that says I want to be driving tanks in the Army," Matthew says. "I mean, this is something that I know I've always wanted to do."

But the dream could be in jeopardy, thanks to a two-inch pocket knife that officials at Lansingburgh Senior High School found in Matthew's locked car last month. The pocket knife was a gift from his grandfather, Robert Whalen, who's the Hoosick Falls Police Chief. Matthew says he kept the knife in a side compartment and never tried showing it off or threatening anyone with it. Instead it was a part of the survival kit that was his car.

"My car is designed in a way that if I ever broke down, I'd be OK," Whalen explains. "I have a sleeping bag. I have bottled water. I have an MRE. I believe it's better to be prepared and not need it than need it and not have it."

Matthew says school officials approached him on Sept. 21, asking if he had a weapon on him. When Matthew answered he did not, he says the officials asked if he had a knife in his car. Matthew said it was a pocket knife, and took officials to his car when asked. He also turned over the pocket knife when asked.

The Lansingburgh Central School District has a zero-tolerance policy on weapons. According to the district's Codes of Conduct, students are not allowed to have "a weapon of any kind" on school grounds. Even though a pocket knife is not considered a weapon under New York State penal code, the district also prohibits students from possessing anything "that reasonably can be considered a weapon."

According to Matthew, the school suspended him for five days, during which time a Superintendent's hearing was held to determine the extent of his punishment. Matthew's family contends only the high school's principal and athletic director were present, not the Superintendent or the assistant principal who initially suspended Matthew. And despite a letter from Matthew's Scout Master explaining how a pocket knife is a common tool for scouts to have, the district suspended Matthew for another 15 days. The Whalens say they received no explanation as to why, and they claim there was no opportunity to ask.

"I want him to have fair treatment based on his character," says Matthew's father, Bryan Whalen. "It just totally baffles me that they would go after this when they have much bigger fish to fry."

The Whalens say during the Superintendent's hearing, officials admitted that Matthew cooperated fully, didn't have the pocket knife on him, had no intention of using it, and never threatened anyone with it. "They'd already made their decision," Whalen's father says.

In a statement to NEWS10, Superintendent George J. Goodwin says, "We do not comment on discipline related to an individual student. Our policies are clear that weapons are not permitted on school premises and subject to disciplinary consequences."

Legal expert Thomas Carr, of Tully Rinckey PLLC, says school districts are within their rights to impose and enforce safety policies, even if a pocket knife is not considered a weapon under New York State penal law. But he also says such school rules can quickly become so-called "gray areas" that leave the meaning of what's considered a weapon open ended.

"If this 17-year-old is driving his car to school," Carr says, "let's face it, the tire iron in the trunk to change the wheel is much more of a deadly weapon than a one-and-a-half inch blade knife."

Carr also says the Whalens might have grounds to pursue legal action against the district if Matthew felt he had no choice but to allow school officials to search his car.

At this point, the Whalens are not sure when or if they will sue the district. Instead, they want the district to reinstate Matthew immediately and remove this from his official student record.

"He needs to be doing the application for his admission to West Point right now," Bryan Whalen says. "They're delaying that, and that could be very costly for him."

Matthew says he wants to follow in the military footsteps of his father and grandfather. His grandfather, Robert Whalen, received two Purple Hearts for his service in the Vietnam War. Bryan Whalen served in Operation Iraqi Freedom and at Ground Zero, as his unit was on the scene by the evening of Sept. 11, 2001. He's also received the Soldier's Medal from the U.S. Army, and he pulled survivors from a burning helicopter that had crashed at the Stratton Air National Guard Base during an air show crash in 1991.

Matthew guesses a student must have told school officials, but he doesn't know who did it or why. His father thinks it might have been a prank to see Matthew get a little heat from administrators and that the intent was for it to never get this far.

"It's just plain wrong of what they've done," he says. "It isn't a weapon!"

But the family feels the district overreacted, if not for suspending Matthew in the first place, then for adding an additional 15 days to the original suspension.

"If they had told me, 'Take this out of your car,' I would have said alright, and it never would have been an issue," Matthew says. "I was upset with it, but I can understand that. They have the zero-tolerance rule."

The district provides a tutor for Matthew for 90 minutes every day; he's banned from stepping on school grounds for any reason whatsoever, including assignments and sporting events. Matthew says it's hard to cram more than six hours of work into his tutor time, and he says his work is not being graded until he returns to school. All he wants is to return to class.

"The rest of my life could be affected by this," he says.
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Old 10-11-2009, 22:07   #2
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"Zero Tolerance" in schools is an attempt to remove critical thinking from an institution devoted to the teaching of critical thinking.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." --- Albert Einstein
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Old 10-11-2009, 22:19   #3
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"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." --- Albert Einstein
Pretty much explains this issue to me.
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Old 10-11-2009, 22:37   #4
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Yet another case where the "may we search your car" response is bungled.

In all cases, the answer is, "Not unless you have a warrant".

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Old 10-12-2009, 04:21   #5
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Public School

Public school

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Old 10-12-2009, 07:07   #6
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Yet another case where the "may we search your car" response is bungled.

In all cases, the answer is, "Not unless you have a warrant".

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Absolutely agree, I think there's probably more to this story than the article says though, sounds like maybe another student had a grudge, how else would they know he had a knife in the car, unless there is an anti-military bias in the school, unless of course these folks were approaching every student with these questions. Either way it kills me they are punishing this kid for being honest and respecting their authority. These administrators/teacher need a lesson in improvised weapons, I wonder if they've ever seen someone beaten with a tire iron like the article says, or stabbed with a writing implement, or hell a hair pick for that matter, anything can be a weapon if the wielder decides to use it as such. I understand not having knives in school….mostly…..but to say it can’t be in the car, is downright ridiculous. What about the baseball players or golfer in school, can they bring their bats/club to school, both of which can be used as devastating weapons much more so than a 1.5 inch bladed knife.
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Old 10-12-2009, 07:27   #7
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Yet another case where the "may we search your car" response is bungled.

In all cases, the answer is, "Not unless you have a warrant".

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You would not believe how many Bags get searched by police. Just by asking to.

Yes there is definitely a big Gap in the above story. Why were they asking him if he had a Weapon. There has to be a reason. He could be the loner Kid most likely to go postal for all we know. His parents think he's a great kid, all parents do.
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Old 10-12-2009, 07:31   #8
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Good thing they caught this guy

Good thing they caught this guy

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/12/ed...line.html?_r=1

And that little girl with the Birthday cake. The teacher used the knife to cut the cake and then turned her in.

Public school - no brains just indoctrination.

While the above mentioned kids did have a "weapon" remember the stories of kids kicked out for pictures of guns and the one with a GI Joe plastic toy gun about 2" long?
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Old 10-12-2009, 07:44   #9
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Then there was that honor roll JROTC girl up in Denver who got booted for having her squad's inert drill rifles in her car. The national public outcry forced the school to revoke her suspension.
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Another supporting example of the Theory of Unintended Consequences.

The Zero Tolerance legislation related to weapons, drugs, bullying, and violence in schools came about in response by legislators, state education agencies, and school boards/administrators to the demands of parents, so-called "Safe Schools" organizations, and their attorneys regarding their dissatisfaction over the handling of such matters on an individual basis and an idea that some form of 'standardized' process would provide a better solution for all concerned. This idea runs contrary to our legal system - under which extenuating and mitigating circumstances are to be considered when adjudicating such matters - and has since proven to be nearly as large a problem as the original issues it was supposed to correct.

This case of the honor student with the small pocket knife in his glove compartment is a good example; we have discussed others on this web-site.

Right or wrong - the lad broke the 'rules' in existence, and I am sure he and his parents signed a form at the beginning of the school year stating they understood and would abide by those rules. What would happen for breaking the 'rules' at the USMA where he wants to go?

And so it goes...

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Old 10-12-2009, 08:13   #11
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Richard that is a part of it. The other part is that the rule is not well thought out.


Question on this issue, what was the PC to search the student's car? Is there more to this story?
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Question on this issue, what was the PC to search the student's car? Is there more to this story?
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Matthew says school officials approached him on Sept. 21, asking if he had a weapon on him. When Matthew answered he did not, he says the officials asked if he had a knife in his car. Matthew said it was a pocket knife, and took officials to his car when asked. He also turned over the pocket knife when asked.
Sounds as if the fact he carried a knife found its way to the administration and they were specifically investigating its being on campus - most public high schools today have a policeman assigned to the campus who would have been involved in the search as well.

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Old 10-12-2009, 08:44   #13
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There is a Supreme Court ruling that states that a student does not suspend his/her rights when on school property.

It is a sad commentary on some people that chose to abuse thier power over those who they look to for examples in leadership.
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Yet another case where the "may we search your car" response is bungled.

In all cases, the answer is, "Not unless you have a warrant".

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Exactly. If you don't teach your kids this lesson you are being grossly negligent.
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Sounds as if the fact he carried a knife found its way to the administration and they were specifically investigating its being on campus - most public high schools today have a policeman assigned to the campus who would have been involved in the search as well.

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It still leaves information out. I am not very good at guessing.
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