12-28-2009, 22:31
|
#1
|
|
Guerrilla
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Oregon
Posts: 153
|
FYI...M-16/M-4 Mags w/Tan follower
http://www.shadowspear.com/special-o...es-m16-m4.html
Improved Magazine Increases Reliability
ShadowSpear
17 December, 2009 08:50:00 Font size:
PICATINNY ARSENAL, NJ – The Army has begun fielding a new 5.56mm 30-round "improved magazine" that delivers a significant increase in reliability for M-16 and M-4 weapons.
Bolstering the already high reliability ratings of the M-16 and M-4, the improved magazine reduces the risk of magazine-related stoppages by more than 50 percent compared to the older magazine variants, according to officials at Program Executive Office Soldier.
Identified by a tan-colored follower, more than 500,000 of the improved magazines have been fielded to units in Iraq, Afghanistan and the United States.
"With the improved magazines, we're taking weapons reliability up another notch," said Lt. Col. Chris Lehner, product manager for Individual Weapons. "By incorporating a heavier, more corrosion-resistant spring, along with a new follower design that does not tilt inside the casing, our engineers were able to develop a magazine that presents a round to the weapon with even greater stability. Increased magazine reliability results in overall improved weapon system performance."
Currently, there are three different types of magazines in the supply inventory that can be identified by the color of the follower. The new, improved magazine follower is tan. Magazines with a green follower are strong performers and are acceptable so long as they are serviceable, but should be phased out from the force as the improved magazines are received. The oldest magazines have a black follower and should be turned in to supply sergeants.
"Soldiers can remember it like this: 'Tan - is the plan. Green - start to lean. Black - take it back,'" said Lehner. "While the improved magazines increase reliability to an even greater degree, the new magazines by no means reduce the importance of Soldiers keeping their weapons clean and lubricated appropriately for the environment. Also, Soldiers must be proficient on conducting immediate action (SPORTS) if their weapon has a stoppage."
A significant portion of the system reliability gains are the result of the redesigned follower. The new follower incorporates an extended rear leg and modified bullet protrusion for improved round stacking and orientation.
The self-leveling/anti-tilt follower minimizes jamming while a wider spring coil profile creates even force distribution. The performance gains have not added weight or cost to the magazines.
|
|
DinDinA-2 is offline
|
|
|
12-28-2009, 22:47
|
#2
|
|
Quiet Professional
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Asscrackistan
Posts: 4,289
|
I don't who is getting these NEW mags. But anytime we try to order some in OEF we can never get any. I don;t know if it's a SUPCEN ordering issues. Lazy people or the system just being broken and we can't get any.
Whatever you order coming into Country is all you can get. SUPCEN never has any at KAF or BAF for Combat Emergency resupplies OPS. I.E. Some back at BAF or KAF for AST & SUPCEN to load up to be flow out to Elements in contact.
Fire BAses needing extra MAGs for vehicles, Fire base ETC are so old and the new one flow out with the people that may or may not have brought them.
So ordering new ones in country have yet to happen.
__________________
"Berg Heil"
History teaches that when you become indifferent and lose the will to fight someone who has the will to fight will take over."
COLONEL BULL SIMONS
Intelligence failures are failures of command [just] as operations failures are command failures.”
|
|
MtnGoat is offline
|
|
|
12-28-2009, 23:13
|
#3
|
|
Area Commander
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: JBLM
Posts: 1,246
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by MtnGoat
I don't who is getting these NEW mags. But anytime we try to order some in OEF we can never get any. I don;t know if it's a SUPCEN ordering issues. Lazy people or the system just being broken and we can't get any.
Whatever you order coming into Country is all you can get. SUPCEN never has any at KAF or BAF for Combat Emergency resupplies OPS. I.E. Some back at BAF or KAF for AST & SUPCEN to load up to be flow out to Elements in contact.
Fire BAses needing extra MAGs for vehicles, Fire base ETC are so old and the new one flow out with the people that may or may not have brought them.
So ordering new ones in country have yet to happen.
|
I'll put in the good word for ya VG!!
But you do bring up a good point. If you need any while I'm around, you know I'll scrounge some for ya, even if I'm not going forward this time.
__________________
http://teamrwb.com/
"Let the blood of the infantry flow through your veins,or the blood of the infantry will be on your hands."
- GEN John A. Wickham, Jr. speaking on the responsibilities of MI soldiers.
|
|
jbour13 is offline
|
|
|
12-29-2009, 07:27
|
#4
|
|
Quiet Professional
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: America, the Beautiful
Posts: 3,193
|
Good gouge. Thanks!
__________________
Like a free America? Join www.actforamerica.org
"The views expressed in this post are those of the author and do not reflect the official policy
or position of the Department of the Army, Department of Defense, or the U.S. Government."
- From Army Regulation 360-1, Paragraph 6-8 (2)
|
|
Warrior-Mentor is offline
|
|
|
12-29-2009, 07:56
|
#5
|
|
Quiet Professional
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Occupied Pineland
Posts: 4,701
|
What's the difference between the new magazine and my old ones that have been refit with a MAGPUL follower and (eventually) upgraded springs?  Nice of the Army to finally catch up with the rest of us.
__________________
A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.
~ Marcus Tullius Cicero (42B.C)
|
|
Peregrino is offline
|
|
|
12-29-2009, 10:07
|
#6
|
|
Quiet Professional
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: NC for now
Posts: 2,418
|
Is their a particular reason why the Army just didn't go with the P-Mags from MAGPULL. I been using those Mags for abut two years now. They have performed flawless.
__________________
Sounds like a s#*t sandwhich, but I'll fight anyone, I'm in.
|
|
kgoerz is offline
|
|
|
12-29-2009, 12:20
|
#7
|
|
Quiet Professional
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Asscrackistan
Posts: 4,289
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by jbour13
I'll put in the good word for ya VG!!
But you do bring up a good point. If you need any while I'm around, you know I'll scrounge some for ya, even if I'm not going forward this time.
|
I'm good but the point was made.. Why should any one have to scrounge through their stuff for others!! Hello we are SF right..
OOh wait I know.
Quote:
|
Is their a particular reason why the Army just didn't go with the P-Mags from MAGPULL. I been using those Mags for abut two years now. They have performed flawless.
|
I was thinking the same thing. I bet it's to make up for all of those "old" Mags they had fitted with that new (Now Old) plate.
__________________
"Berg Heil"
History teaches that when you become indifferent and lose the will to fight someone who has the will to fight will take over."
COLONEL BULL SIMONS
Intelligence failures are failures of command [just] as operations failures are command failures.”
|
|
MtnGoat is offline
|
|
|
12-29-2009, 12:21
|
#8
|
|
Quiet Professional
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Free Pineland
Posts: 24,824
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by kgoerz
Is their a particular reason why the Army just didn't go with the P-Mags from MAGPULL. I been using those Mags for abut two years now. They have performed flawless.
|
The original PMAGs will not fit in some mag pouches.
The new Export models may, I have not played with them yet.
TR
__________________
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat." - President Theodore Roosevelt, 1910
De Oppresso Liber 01/20/2025
|
|
The Reaper is offline
|
|
|
12-29-2009, 19:48
|
#9
|
|
Quiet Professional
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Boise area, ID
Posts: 319
|
The Emag, while slimmer in the body, stills has a wider floorplate. This is not the reason they weren't picked from what I understand. This has been an ongoing issue/drama with I think Picatinny (but could have been Crane).
Picatinny was trying to make their own polymer mag, for many years. I've seen some of the testing reports, and I'm pretty sure it was a failure. This follower has also been in the works also for many years, from what I've heard.
Why didn't they take the Magpul follower...I'm not sure. It sounds to me like a "not invented here" type of thing, but I'm not privvy to everything. If that is correct, this is the same thing the .gov/.mil ordnance types got in trouble for back in the M16 testing/adoption days.
It seems to me that there is something up, because as good as the Pmag reportedly is, it isn't widely fielded, and only got an NSN through a non US military. And I know that Magpul has been trying to get it into the system.
Justin
-former Magpul employee
|
|
Justinmd is offline
|
|
|
12-29-2009, 19:51
|
#10
|
|
Quiet Professional
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Wherever my ruck finds itself
Posts: 2,972
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by kgoerz
Is their a particular reason why the Army just didn't go with the P-Mags from MAGPUL...
|
The same reason we ended up with the abortion known as ACU's instead of MC; Natick needs a reason to exist. 
Crip
__________________
"It's better to die on your feet than live on your knees."
"Its not who I am underneath, but what I do that defines me" -Batman
"There are no obstacles, only opportunities for excellence."- NousDefionsDoc
Last edited by Surgicalcric; 12-29-2009 at 19:55.
|
|
Surgicalcric is offline
|
|
|
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
|
|
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
All times are GMT -6. The time now is 04:27.
|
|
|
Linear Mode
