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Gates Predicts Women in Special Forces
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09-30-2010, 06:51
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Retirement Planning???
Maybe a job with Big Sis??
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09-30-2010, 11:41
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Gates Predicts Women Will Serve In Special Forces
Gates Predicts Women Will Serve In Special Forces
DURHAM, North Carolina (AFP) -- Defense Secretary Robert Gates said he foresaw a day when the military would lift its ban on women serving in elite special forces.
Although military rules bar women from ground combat, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have thrust female troops into firefights and forced US commanders to review the policy.
Gates said he expected the prohibition against women in US Special Operations forces would be phased out in a deliberate manner similar to the way women have been allowed to serve on submarines since earlier this year.
"It will happen, but it will happen in the same very careful way that women in submarines is being done," Gates told an audience of students enrolled in reserve officer training in North Carolina.
As a first step, female officers are being assigned to larger Ohio-class nuclear-powered submarines.
The larger vessels make it easier to accommodate female crew members, and each team of women includes a more senior female officer who serves as a "mentor," Gates said.
"My guess is at some point... there'll be a careful step in that direction with Special Operations forces," he said.
The crack special forces' units carry out some of the military's most dangerous and sensitive operations, sabotaging targets behind enemy lines and hunting down suspected terrorists, but have remained one of the last all-male bastions in the armed forces.
Gates flew to Duke University to give a speech on the state of the all-volunteer military, warning the force could become alienated over time from the rest of society, with recruits and bases concentrated in more rural, conservative areas.
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09-30-2010, 11:49
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Promises, promises,,,,
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09-30-2010, 11:51
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09-30-2010, 12:27
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I believe he said SOF, not SF.
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09-30-2010, 12:57
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I believe he said SOF, not SF.
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Yep.
More Women in Special Ops Forces, Gates Predicts
DOD News, 30 Sep 2010
Women already serve in a limited capacity within the special operations community -- primarily in civil affairs, mission information support and aviation capacities, a U.S. Special Operations Command official confirmed. However, most special operations billets, including Navy Sea, Air and Land teams, more commonly known as SEAL teams, and Special Forces A-teams, are limited to males.
Here's the entire speech if anyone's interested:
Lecture at Duke University (All-Volunteer Force)
As Delivered by Secretary of Defense Robert M. Gates, Durham, North Carolina, Wednesday, September 29, 2010
http://www.defense.gov/speeches/spee...?speechid=1508
And so it goes...
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09-30-2010, 13:10
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I forsee Women coming into more SF lines.
SMUs already use women for roles that they are needed in. SAS use females from the Det for NI ops. Two men sitting in a hotel room or car or on some street raise eyes. One man and one women in those same roles, don't.
So Women coming to White SF, soon. How soon is the question.
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09-30-2010, 13:43
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09-30-2010, 13:51
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What?
Gates has obviously been watching too much TV. All the new "elite" SWAT and NCISs have female shooters/Door kickers. None with big rucksacks yet. Guess Gates is waiting for a show with that.
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09-30-2010, 14:13
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None with big rucksacks yet.
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I've heard "them" called lots of things, but never "rucksacks"! 
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09-30-2010, 14:22
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Rucksacks!..........  Huh,is that what "there" called now............  Hummmmm....... 
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09-30-2010, 14:30
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I've heard "them" called lots of things, but never "rucksacks"! |
"My guess is at some point ... there'll be a careful step in that direction with special operations forces," he said. The crack Special Forces' units carry out some of the military's most dangerous and sensitive operations, sabotaging targets behind enemy lines and hunting down suspected terrorists, but have remained one of the last all-male bastions in the armed forces.
Been said before, and will say it again; Just as a plain ol' woman....We have limits, physically, mentally, emotionally. Women do NOT belong on an SF Team, IMVHO. This opinion is based on just obervation and research of only seven years of the SF community, so it may be flawed...but, just sayin'!
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09-30-2010, 17:03
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Golly, just the thought of it made me throw up a lil in the back of my throat.
Gates drank toooo much of the koolaid. And "his" CinC has 2 yrs left, his "prediction" will never fly. How much more would they have to lower to the standards to make that happen? If they lower them anymore, they will be recruiting from the "nervous hospital".
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09-30-2010, 17:24
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Jamie Lee Curtis, Trading Places, "Can you help me with my 'Rooksak'?".
I'm thinking, "sure".
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