College Scam

Wiseman · 09-16-2011, 15:50

I agree with some of the things in this video, particularly that there are too many colleges out there producing students with great loans and no jobs and this is further made worse by the current economy. I am interested in other people's opinions on this issue. I think one possible solution is to eliminate the amount of colleges that exist in the US and make them extremely selective so that people going to 3rd tier or 4th tier colleges don't take out loans for schools that will put them further into debt and without a job. Unfortunately, colleges are more of a business now and I don't see it stopping. It's kind of the same thing with law schools, there are too many and too few lawyers are needed in this economy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpZtX...&kw=university

Sigaba · 09-16-2011, 16:24

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Originally Posted by Wiseman

I am interested in other people's opinions on this issue.

The topic has received a great deal of conversation previously.

For example, http://professionalsoldiers.com/foru...ad.php?t=20111

HTH.

Wiseman · 09-16-2011, 16:52

I'm more concerned about the economical aspect covered in the video as it relates to college bound students. While the discussion you linked focuses more on the standards of teaching and the indoctrination portion.

Sigaba · 09-16-2011, 17:26

Incredible. A bombastic propagandist video that supports the NIA's broader strategy of undermining America's confidence in the U.S. political, economic, and social institutions. All accompanied by a "suggestion" to buy gold.

Wiseman · 09-16-2011, 17:29

Sigaba,

Yes I heard those plugs but ignored them. The cost of colleges and the constant dictum to take out loans is true though.Most students will not be able to pay off their loans after they graduate. Too many graduates out there with worthless Bachelor degrees and not enough demand.

Richard · 09-16-2011, 18:03

Free market educational system - choose your post-high school education with care and what you can reasonably afford - personal choice.

And so it goes...

Richard

tonyz · 09-16-2011, 18:07

Caveat emptor - buyer beware - like most everything in life.

Wiseman · 09-16-2011, 18:09

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Originally Posted by Richard

Free market educational system - choose your post-high school education with care and what you can reasonably afford - personal choice.

And so it goes...

Richard

I think we need to also need reinforce that college is not for everyone. I don't think people should go to university just to go for the hell of it. In high school ( 1999-2003 era), going to college was a must in order to be successful, at least that's what the faculty stressed at the time and the way I thought as well. Not going was not even discussed. Now I don't really think the same way.

SF_BHT · 09-16-2011, 18:11

Richard is spot on.

My big gift to the kids was a paid for education. They did and will graduate with no debt upon graduation. They will have a clean slate to dirty up on their own.

Richard · 09-16-2011, 18:28

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Originally Posted by Wiseman

I think we need to also need reinforce that college is not for everyone. I don't think people should go to university just to go for the hell of it. In high school ( 1999-2003 era), going to college was a must in order to be successful, at least that's what the faculty stressed at the time and the way I thought as well. Not going was not even discussed. Now I don't really think the same way.

I was a high school principal during that time period and that may be what you heard - our focus with our students was on individual student aptitude, talents, and desires - college was an option for some but not for all - trade schools and corporate-sponsored on-the-job-training programs were equally as viable for many of our students and we helped guide them in that direction - America only offers opportunity and it is best realized when one is honest with themself in their self-appraisal and in developing 'realistic' goals.

And so it goes in the 'real' world...

Richard

Guy · 09-16-2011, 18:29

I worked few construction sites in CA where plumbers, electricians, HVAC, etc. were making $40/hr. A couple of times we'd hit 16hr days....

8hrs x $40= $320
4hrs x $60= $240 (time and half)
4hrs x $80= $320 (double time)

Total= $880/day and/or $6,160/week and/or $24,640/month

Stay safe.

Sigaba · 09-16-2011, 18:41

What will be the out come?

In the short term, we'll have tens of thousands of people out of work. In the midterm, we'll have more Americans with vocational training to do jobs that went overseas decades ago. In the long term, we'll have a smaller cohort of highly educated Americans, thereby causing the further decline in the country's already diminished intellectual resources and rendering us even less capable at competing in the international marketplace of ideas.

Yep, sounds like a winning plan to me.

Wiseman · 09-16-2011, 18:45

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Originally Posted by Sigaba

What will be the out come?

In the short term, we'll have tens of thousands of people out of work. In the midterm, we'll have more Americans with vocational training to do jobs that went overseas decades ago. In the long term, we'll have a smaller cohort of highly educated Americans, thereby causing the further decline in the country's already diminished intellectual resources and rendering us even less capable at competing in the international marketplace of ideas.

Yep, sounds like a winning plan to me.

Quality over quantity. Not every university is going to produce the movers and shakers in sciences/engineering. Why tell people you must go to university to be educated when those same people don't have the desire anyways. It only forces more people into needless debt.

Sigaba · 09-16-2011, 18:45

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Now I don't really think the same way.

Is reshaping the external world really the most efficacious way to address the regrets you've formed about the choices you did and did not make? A little autoplasticity goes a long way.

Richard · 09-16-2011, 18:46

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Originally Posted by Sigaba

What will be the out come?

In the short term, we'll have tens of thousands of people out of work. In the midterm, we'll have more Americans with vocational training to do jobs that went overseas decades ago. In the long term, we'll have a smaller cohort of highly educated Americans, thereby causing the further decline in the country's already diminished intellectual resources and rendering us even less capable at competing in the international marketplace of ideas.

Yep, sounds like a winning plan to me.

To which opinion/post are you referring?

Richard