Clinton Promises to End War if Elected

[The Reaper]

It seems to me that the war is easy to end, if winning is not a requirement.

We just pack our bags, surrender, and come home. Kind of like we did in Vietnam. Voila. Peace with honor. Then they come to visit war upon us here, and where do we go?

Wonder why the MSM is not picking up on this?

TR


Clinton Promises to End War if Elected

Feb 2, 4:29 PM (ET)

By NEDRA PICKLER

WASHINGTON (AP) - Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton said Friday she would not have attacked Iraq if she were president in 2002 and would end the war if elected, as she tried to blunt rivals like John Edwards who are stoking anti-war passions in the Democratic Party.

Clinton, raising her voice at one point to be heard above anti-war hecklers, suggested that calls from Edwards and others to cut off funding for President Bush's troop increase are unlikely to win approval in a narrowly divided Senate.

"Believe me, I understand the frustration and the outrage," Clinton said in a speech to the Democratic National Committee meeting that brought the party's nine White House hopefuls together for the first time. "You have to have 60 votes to cap troops, to limit funding to do anything. If we in Congress don't end this war before January 2009, as president, I will."

The New York senator's comments were her strongest against the war and signal an effort to confront one of the biggest threats to her front-runner status. As the conflict nears the four-year mark, she has been on the opposite side of the most outspoken anti-war activists who are a force in the Democratic primaries.

Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois reminded the party's rank-and-file - twice - that he was against the Iraq invasion from the beginning.

"But whether you were for it or against it then, we all have a responsibility now to put forth a plan that offers the best chance of ending the bloodshed and bringing the troops home," Obama told the audience.

Edwards voted with Clinton in 2002 to authorize Bush's war against Iraq, a vote he defended during his 2004 presidential race but has since said was a mistake. The former North Carolina senator has gone from being a war apologist to one of the most outspoken critics of the invasion in this campaign.

"Silence is a betrayal," Edwards said, one of 11 times he used the word betrayal in his 18-minute speech. "It is a betrayal not to stop this president's plan to escalate the war when we have the responsibility, the power and the ability to stop it. We cannot be satisfied with passing nonbinding resolutions that we know this president will ignore."

Edwards was referring to a measure being debated in the Senate that would say lawmakers disagree with the president's decision to increase troop levels in an effort to stabilize Baghdad. Connecticut Sen. Chris Dodd, another 2008 candidate, also criticized the effort as meaningless.

"I don't believe spending a week debating a nonbinding resolution is the change that America voted for" in November when Democrats won a majority in Congress, Dodd said. "With all due respect, a real bill and real teeth and real accountability is what is needed in our country again."

Clinton said while the resolution may not be perfect, it represents the first time Congress has stood against the president on the war.

"There are many people who wish we could do more," Clinton said.

"You can!" came a call from a small gathering of activists from the peace group Code Pink. Others in their group standing along a side wall chimed in, calling for a binding resolution that would end the war immediately, while some nearby audience members asked them to quiet down.

"But let me say," Clinton said, her voice rising above the din, "that if we can get a large, bipartisan vote to disapprove this president's plan for escalation, that will be the first time that we will have said no to President Bush and began to reverse his policies. Now, I want to go further."

"Bring them home, then," said a man dressed in desert camouflage that said "Iraq Veterans Against the War." Clinton said she has proposed capping U.S. troop levels and pulling funding for Iraqi forces, but won't cut funding for U.S. troops while they are on the battlefield.

"And let me add one other thing, and I want to be very clear about this," she said. "If I had been president in October of 2002, I would not have started this war."

Former Gen. Wesley Clark, who has not indicated whether he will run, said he's the only potential candidate with the battlefield experience to succeed in Iraq.

Ohio Rep. Dennis Kucinich called for an immediate end to the war - the same message he ran on in 2004. But it's now is being echoed by several other candidates in a stronger position to win the nomination.

[Roguish Lawyer]

I hate that bitch.

[Bill Harsey]

She didn't seem to pay attention to this stuff the last time she was president.

[HOLLiS]

Originally Posted by Roguish Lawyer

I hate that bitch.

Now now, there is a reason she wears long dresses so technically she is not a bitch, But it would violate the rating of this group to explain.

[CDRODA396]

Oh, she'll end it alright..in Iraq... then just like TR said, we can look forward to the front lines of the War On Terror being in our backyard...and the very real possibility she'll win is out there...If the voting public doesnt wake the fuck up and get out and vote, it could get really ugly, really ugly.

[bandycpa]

Originally Posted by Bill Harsey

She didn't seem to pay attention to this stuff the last time she was president.

LOL! Nice one, Mr. Harsey!

That one should go in the "Best Of" Quotes section.


Bandy

[Gypsy]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

Clinton said while the resolution may not be perfect, it represents the first time Congress has stood against the president on the war.

And that's obviously more important than anything else as it relates to the war. You know, the war against the animals who want all of us dead and will not stop in their quest.

[jasonglh]

Its amazing how quickly she adapts to the new audience:

Senator Clinton won't run out use of force to stop 'pro-terrorist' Iran

At a speech Friday to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) said "no option can be taken off the table" when dealing with Iran, RAW STORY has learned.

[bandycpa]

Originally Posted by jasonglh
Its amazing how quickly she adapts to the new audience:

The scary part is: that's how her husband won the Presidency back in 1992.

Hopefully, lightning won't strike twice.


Bandy

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by bandycpa

The scary part is: that's how her husband won the Presidency back in 1992.

Hopefully, lightning won't strike twice.

Bandy

Well, anybody tried throwing a bucket of water on her yet?

TR

[CoLawman]

Those who are advocating leaving Iraq without winning apparently pay little attention to the what if scenarios:

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/p...nt/import.html

November 2006 Import Highlights: Released on February 2, 2007
Monthly data on the origins of crude oil imports in November 2006 has been released and it shows that three countries have each exported more than 1.40 million barrels per day to the United States, and one country shows exports of greater than 2.00 million barrels per day. Including those countries, a total of four countries exported over 1.00 million barrels per day of crude oil to the United States (see table below). The top five exporting countries accounted for 71 percent of United States crude oil imports in November while the top ten sources accounted for approximately 89 percent of all U.S. crude oil imports. The top sources of US crude oil imports for November were Canada (2.064 million barrels per day), Mexico (1.462 million barrels per day), Saudi Arabia (1.444 million barrels per day), Venezuela (1.088 million barrels per day), and Nigeria (0.919 million barrels per day). The rest of the top ten sources, in order, were Iraq (0.573 million barrels per day), Angola (0.505 million barrels per day), Algeria (0.253 million barrels per day), Kuwait (0.253 million barrels per day), and Ecuador (0.243 million barrels per day). Total crude oil imports averaged 9.837 million barrels per day in November, which is a decrease of 0.295 million barrels per day from October 2006.

Canada remained the largest exporter of total petroleum products in November, exporting 2.598 million barrels per day to the United States, which was a large increase from last month (2.144 thousand barrels per day). The second largest exporter of total petroleum products was Mexico once again with 1.584 million barrels per day.

Crude Oil Imports (Top 15 Countries)
(Thousand Barrels per Day)
Country Nov-06 Oct-06 YTD 2006 Nov-05 Jan - Nov 2005

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

CANADA 2,064 1,704 1,778 1,756 1,609
MEXICO 1,462 1,481 1,606 1,658 1,542
SAUDI ARABIA 1,444 1,322 1,417 1,267 1,445
VENEZUELA 1,088 1,125 1,148 1,009 1,246
NIGERIA 919 1,049 1,046 1,163 1,068
IRAQ 573 505 566 572 540
ANGOLA 505 506 504 658 458
ALGERIA 253 449 352 265 230
KUWAIT 253 234 180 273 223
ECUADOR 243 315 274 264 270
BRAZIL 156 171 134 65 88
UNITED KINGDOM 119 74 131 229 241
CHAD 118 109 93 33 78
NORWAY 81 120 97 103 124
AZERBAIJAN 77 88 23 0 0

The point being.......we are going to wind right back in there as soon as Iran and Venezuela try to bring us to our knees by choking off our oil from Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Venezuela.

And it won't take long to bring us to our knees. I seem to recall the oil embargo in the early 70's, and that was miniscule when compared to this most probable, IMO, scenario if we pull out.

These zealots realize our vulnerabilities and Iran and Chavez will take advantage of our weak kneed and vocal anti war posturing. Hillary Clinton does not strike fear in the hearts of these zealots.

What was the result of pulling out of Viet Nam? 2 or 3 million deaths?

I do not buy into the argument that stopping imports to the US would be "cutting off their nose to spite their face...." where Iran and Venezuela are concerned.

As I see it, fighting terror on our shores is going to be the least of our problems, if we pull out.

Are we going to seek UN resolutions to resolve an oil embargo? If Hillary or a Democrat get in.......it is a guarantee. Meanwhile our economy reels with disastorous results.

It is time to kick the lawyers out of the military and become Trumanesque! Get mean and stop waiting for approval from JAG before conducting operations. POTUS has only weeks before this tsunami over takes his best intentions.

Since the Dems rally around the premise that everyone hates us, why does it matter if we cast aside the niceties. Will this cause them to hate us more? Ridiculous.

Various MSM outlets and Left wing organizations already blame us for each and every civilian casualty, knowing full well that the deaths were the result of insurgent actions. If we are getting the tally, then we might as well ignore collateral damage.

I know this sounds like a Michael Savage rant, but I am really concerned that people like Hillary are leading us like sheep to a slaughter.

History is replete with foolhardy optimism:

The Holocaust
The Killing Fields of Cambodia
Rwanda
9/11
Hiroshima
Korea
Pearl Harbor

I hope and pray I am wrong, but taking copious notes from the "Be Prepared Thread" takes on a new light when considering what if a major oil embargo.

Thank you for allowing me to vent, to someone other than my elected officials. I wonder if they think I am a nut?

[CoLawman]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

Well, anybody tried throwing a bucket of water on her yet?

TR

Now that was funny!.............Wicked witch....Get it? LMAO!

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by CoLawman

Now that was funny!.............Wicked witch....Get it? LMAO!

See amigo?

I knew you could laugh!

BTW, I thought Hiroshima was pragmatism?

TR

[BMT (RIP)]

Another what if scenario:

The Red Diesel get's elected.
The troops are pulled out.
Recuriting and retention drops across the board.

Major city gets hit.

What will the Red Diesel do now??





BMT

[Goggles Pizano]

Originally Posted by BMT

Another what if scenario:

The Red Diesel get's elected.
The troops are pulled out.
Recuriting and retention drops across the board.

Major city gets hit.

What will the Red Diesel do now??





BMT

Blame it on the right wing conspiracy.