AFSOC Cops

AngelsSix · 02-28-2009, 18:42

Check these dudes out....I got a giggle out of AF dudes calling themselves "Special Forces", now I am just irritated.....

AFSOC Deployed Aircraft Ground Response Element (DAGRE). As you can see from the pictures it's a little more than just Raven. However, that's the bread and butter mission for these guys. DAGRE took part in Emerald Warrior as a "Proof of Concept" that goes above and beyond the original METs that I'm not going to get into. They had plenty of training with Special Tactics Training Squadron (previously known as AST) and the 23rd Special Tactics Squadron for quite some time prior to this exercise. They were all very well prepared and met all ST physical condition requirements minus the swim.

As members of a Deployed Aircraft Ground Response Element from the 1st Special Operations Security Forces Squadron catalog and bag evidence gathered from a simulated high value target elimination scene during the Emerald Warrior Exercise, Feb. 3. The forensic evidence collected from the scene could result in the identification of other high value targets.

longrange1947 · 02-28-2009, 20:12

SFCSI?

Richard · 02-28-2009, 22:56

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Originally Posted by longrange1947

SFCSI?

New CBS show - CSI-Hurlburt. Wait until you see the episode where they go on a mission with The Unit and wind up in a firefight with NCIS. JAG has a hell of a time sorting that one out.

Richard's $.02

AF IDMT · 03-01-2009, 15:40

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Originally Posted by AngelsSix

Check these dudes out....I got a giggle out of AF dudes calling themselves "Special Forces", now I am just irritated.....

I must have missed something here, where are they claiming to be "Special Forces?"

af_rigger · 03-01-2009, 15:51

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Originally Posted by AF IDMT

I must have missed something here, where are they claiming to be "Special Forces?"

I was thinking the same thing?

Sigaba · 03-01-2009, 15:57

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Originally Posted by longrange1947

SFCSI?

Sir, please don't give Jerry Bruckheimer any more ideas for CSI spin offs.

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New CBS show - CSI-Hurlburt. Wait until you see the episode where they go on a mission with The Unit and wind up in a firefight with NCIS. JAG has a hell of a time sorting that one out.

Donald P. Bellisario has gotten as much mileage from rebooting the armed forces professional as investigator (Thomas Magnum, Harmon Rabb, Jethro Gibbs) as Dick Wolf has gotten out of the Law and Order franchises.

It is only a matter of time before some suit brings them all together in a cross-over miniseries 'event.'

Smokin Joe · 03-01-2009, 16:32

So what is with the Multi-Cam? Did someone pull there head out or are these guys just "special"

perdurabo · 03-01-2009, 16:50

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Originally Posted by AngelsSix

Check these dudes out....I got a giggle out of AF dudes calling themselves "Special Forces", now I am just irritated.....

Check your six, there might be some fine PJs and Combat Controllers on here gunning for you right about now...

(I assume you meant their use of "special operations", and not "Special Forces", which is specific to the US Army)

crash · 03-01-2009, 17:24

I'm not really sure I fully understand their role/ need for gathering forensic evidence in this type of a situation.

I can see the basic idea behind it; make sure the guys you took out are who you think they are, but isn't that kind of useless unless you already have their DNA/finger prints/dental records?

crash · 03-01-2009, 17:50

After doing a web search and reading a few articles about them; I'm even more confused as to how they go from guarding AF assets, to collecting forensic evidence at a HVT elimination scene?

Seem like totally diffrent roles to me; maybe gathering evidence at a crash site in hostile territory....?

Loadsmasher · 03-01-2009, 19:02

Air Force law enforcement types ( formerly sky cops and security police) now go by the moniker, Security Forces. The brassards that they wear are labeled "SF". They also wear the black beret (started when the Rangers were still wearing them). I believe that is what was being referenced above.

I believe that this is another example of an identity crisis among the enlisted in the Air Force. Another example being the SERE instructors wearing a green beret. The service is based around officer pilots with the majority of enlisted in support roles. With a few exceptions ( PJ, Combat Controller, TAC-P ) there are not very many prestigious jobs ( akin to Special Forces, Rangers, WO Pilots ), and very little history. I see this as an attempt to fill that gap.

That my .02 Baht anyway.

Ret10Echo · 03-01-2009, 19:23

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Originally Posted by Loadsmasher

With a few exceptions ( PJ, Combat Controller, TAC-P ) there are not very many prestigious jobs ( akin to Special Forces, Rangers, WO Pilots ), and very little history. I see this as an attempt to fill that gap.

That my .02 Baht anyway.

You have overlooked the great lineage of the Special Operations Weather airmen....

[I jest because I care]

Defender968 · 03-01-2009, 20:07

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Originally Posted by Loadsmasher

Air Force law enforcement types ( formerly sky cops and security police) now go by the moniker, Security Forces. The brassards that they wear are labeled "SF". They also wear the black beret (started when the Rangers were still wearing them). I believe that is what was being referenced above.

That my .02 Baht anyway.

Actually Air Force Security Forces wear a dark navy blue beret, it appears near black but when placed next to an actual black beret you can tell it's blue.

Technically speaking they (Air Force Security Forces) started wearing berets (light blue) in 1966 though they were not officially authorized until 1975-76 timeframe which was close to the same time as the Rangers were officially authorized to wear the black beret.

Dozer523 · 03-01-2009, 20:16

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Originally Posted by Loadsmasher

Air Force law enforcement types ( formerly sky cops and security police) now go by the moniker, Security Forces. The brassards that they wear are labeled "SF". They also wear the black beret (started when the Rangers were still wearing them). I believe that is what was being referenced above.

I believe that this is another example of an identity crisis among the enlisted in the Air Force. Another example being the SERE instructors wearing a green beret. The service is based around officer pilots with the majority of enlisted in support roles. With a few exceptions ( PJ, Combat Controller, TAC-P ) there are not very many prestigious jobs ( akin to Special Forces, Rangers, WO Pilots ), and very little history. I see this as an attempt to fill that gap.

That my .02 Baht anyway.

That is a great a@@]'d course and Kusick really sucks in the winter (it sucks in the summer too -- the maps have elevation intrervals of like 200 feet. Just cuz it looks flat on the map don't make it so!). But berets of the green persuasion is just WRONG!

JSMosby · 03-02-2009, 06:40

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Originally Posted by AngelsSix

As members of a Deployed Aircraft Ground Response Element from the 1st Special Operations Security Forces Squadron catalog and bag evidence gathered from a simulated high value target elimination scene during the Emerald Warrior Exercise, Feb. 3. The forensic evidence collected from the scene could result in the identification of other high value targets.

That diet Dr. Pepper will break this case wide open!