Lindsay: Redefining victory

[Team Sergeant]

I had to laugh at this, I loved the "The steel desk warriors" line.

I was laughing at the part where Nancy wrote:

"The steel desk warriors at the Pentagon sent Special Forces and Navy Seals on missions to the tops of mountains in Afghanistan where their helicopters were shot down in in an area they were told was devoid of the enemy."

Hey Nancy, why on earth would we send Special Forces soldiers and Navy SEALS to a place "devoid" of enemy forces????? That sort of defeats our purpose....

Now as a Special Forces soldier I will tell you that a helicopter infiltration into enemy territory is a risky proposition, but Nancy, that's exactly what we're trained to do, really.

Team Sergeant

(Nancy, you're not related to senator John F. Kerry's are you?)




GHS
Posted Aug 17, 2008 @ 12:56 AM

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We're being told that the surge in Iraq is over and we have achieved victory. The president and the Pentagon are hedging their bets by saying "durability exists" but the "progress is reversible."

We were told we won in Afghanistan when the Taliban were expelled and were replaced with former Unocal Oil Company consultant Hamid Karzai. Today the number of American deaths are the highest they've been since 2001, violence is up by 40 percent, the Taliban are taking over villages without the use of military force and they control 90 percent of the poppy wealth.

Secretary of Defense Gates claims because of this "victory" in Iraq we won't be seeing large scale operations like this again, instead we'll be seeing smaller Special Forces Operations.

The steel desk warriors at the Pentagon sent Special Forces and Navy Seals on missions to the tops of mountains in Afghanistan where their helicopters were shot down in in an area they were told was devoid of the enemy. Our brave forces were then surrounded and attacked by Taliban and Chechen fighters. One Special Forces team leader said all modern technology failed them and he had to go back to fighting wars the old fashioned way, with thinking, pencil and paper.
The old fashioned definition of victory is when the dying of American troops stops and the enemy surrenders. Neither of these have happened in Iraq or Afghanistan.

The war in Vietnam (which both the president and vice president dodged) was televised. We're not seeing any signs of victories now just like we're not seeing any of the coffins coming home.

NANCY T. LINDSAY, Westborough

http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/op...fining-victory

[Pete]

Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

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The war in Vietnam (which both the president and vice president dodged) was televised. We're not seeing any signs of victories now just like we're not seeing any of the coffins coming home.

NANCY T. LINDSAY, Westborough

What she and the other libs have dreamed about.

http://jones.house.gov/release.cfm?id=712

This has squat to do with honoring our war dead. This is all about getting a sound bit with sad pictures on the nightly MSM Democrat propaganda report.

[The Reaper]

Actually, it sounds like she has us confused with the Rangers.

Wonder if she understands the difference between news reporting and opinion editorial pieces?

TR

[Penn]

Dear Nancy,


Though I hesitate to reply to your overt misconceptions which were posted in the Westhampton Journal, I do feel it is my obligation to help inform you, and those who like you, who haven’t yet come to grasp with the situation that we as American’s now find ourselves in: a World War, World War IV to be precise, a war that has been waged for the past 38 years or more. The fact that you do not believe this is evident in your ill informed note, which focuses on the misunderstanding of not only the military, but of what are the issues and why we are involved.

In that Order, I humbly suggest that you take the time to read an article written in 2005 by a fellow Massachusetts resident Professor Bacevich, in the Wilson Quarterly Winter Issue #1. The article is titled the “Real World War IV”. The article should, in some way clear any falsity you may have. I caution you; that although the article is printed in the Wilson Quarterly, a publication of liberal thought, Professor Bacevich has also written articles published in the Conservative Digest. He is considered a fair an opened minded intellectual who has written extensively on the issues’s which you have attempted to address, while lacking the foundation to do so adequately.

Additionally, Henry Kissinger’s book “Diplomacy”, would also assist in unraveling this complex problem that you are grappling to understand. There are other sources with which you could begin to enlighten yourself with and which are equally accessible via the web, but I recommend these two, because even a limited dicussion on current geopolitical issues requires a point of departure; and Professor Bacevich article will save you the exertion of research by having condensed the past 63 years of American foreign policy into 17 pages of thoughtful acuity. Kissinger’s book on the other hand is heavy lifting.

Like you, and every other American, I too am wrought with overwhelming grief and sadness when any of our Soldiers Sacrifice their lives for our cherished freedoms, and few words if any, can attempt to console or comfort the loss a family endures when a love one is lost, but the knowing, that they did not die in vain, in protecting our way of life is the only consolidation we are left, it an unbearable price to pay. Professor Bacevich son was killed in action in Iraq in 2005. Surly, with that in mind, you will respectfully engage in the pursuit of informing yourself by at least reading what you are attempting to write about.


Sincerely,

[Warrior-Mentor]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

Wonder if she understands the difference between news reporting and opinion editorial pieces?

TR

There's a difference? Oh yeah, one pretends not to be opinionated, the other admits it.

I often find it easier to get to the heart of a matter by reading the op-eds related to it, consider the sources of each, and come to my own conclusion...