first push dagger

chance · 02-15-2008, 14:22

Well guys,
I figured I try one of these just got it done today, what do you think?

sofmed · 02-15-2008, 15:16

Sexy!

swatsurgeon · 02-15-2008, 15:45

Chance,
looks nice....
this is not a negative criticism, just an observation:
I am not anything close to a knife builder/professor but something seems to be an issue with the handle design interms of utility. The handle is rounded, therefore it has the probability of changing orientation/angle with in the closed hand and that could lead to blade orientation that is off the straight path to the target and you could hit them with the flat of the blade, or angle there of, rather than the tip of the blade. This is definitely one for Mr. Harsey....the handle gives the user an 'extension' of the arm so that the axis remains inline with the arm and maximizes the potential to have the tip penetrate perpendicular to the target (for a thrust, not slash) As the tip penetrates, the movement arm should remain aligned to continue the straightest trajectory, a rocking of the blade, as with this round handle, could offset this......Mr. Harsey, is this close to correct?

ss

sofmed · 02-15-2008, 16:00

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Originally Posted by swatsurgeon

Chance,
looks nice....
this is not a negative criticism, just an observation:
I am not anything close to a knife builder/professor but something seems to be an issue with the handle design interms of utility. The handle is rounded, therefore it has the probability of changing orientation/angle with in the closed hand and that could lead to blade orientation that is off the straight path to the target and you could hit them with the flat of the blade, or angle there of, rather than the tip of the blade. This is definitely one for Mr. Harsey....the handle gives the user an 'extension' of the arm so that the axis remains inline with the arm and maximizes the potential to have the tip penetrate perpendicular to the target (for a thrust, not slash) As the tip penetrates, the movement arm should remain aligned to continue the straightest trajectory, a rocking of the blade, as with this round handle, could offset this......Mr. Harsey, is this close to correct?

ss

Good point, SS. Guess I just got caught up in the shiny-ness and the sleek lines of the object itself.

I am curious as to the material of the grip. It would make a difference in the overall usefulness of the weapon, and as stated by SS, the stability of grip desired for maximum effect in a combat/striking situation, especially if you're going to twist the blade upon penetration to elicit a larger wound channel.

Mick

jbour13 · 02-15-2008, 19:21

My only observation is that this tool is ideal for a task as it's name implies, "Push" dagger. Thrusting, slashing, or other fast movements isn't the intended use for this. Soft tissue, close in, slow and methodical application.

My .02

Otherwise it's a beautiful steel, love Damascus

chance · 02-15-2008, 19:47

Thank you Gentlemen,
All of the comments are great, the handle is made of marcata and the blade is random pattern demascus. Really the shape of the handle is more for comfort but its very stable when I tried a few stabs on a 2x4.

**Razor** · 02-16-2008, 00:29

Very effective gross motor tool, but the blade's a little long for my taste.

**Ambush Master** · 02-16-2008, 00:54

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Originally Posted by Razor

Very effective gross motor tool, but the blade's a little long for my taste.

Well, as far as being too long, how long is it?!?!

Future pics would be enhanced if you put, say a Dollar Bill under it or some other form of reference so that we could judge the relative size of it. Hell, that could very well be a piece of GI Joe Kit!!!

chance · 02-16-2008, 08:11

Thanks Ambush Master,
Thats a great idea so here it is

swpa19 · 02-16-2008, 09:17

This is one I've carried for a "Few" years. It also comes in a Ladies Model, and a de-magnetized version.

chance · 02-16-2008, 09:21

Yhea! I like bowen push knives.

chance · 02-16-2008, 10:49

Keep the criticism coming guys I'm thick skined and all the idea's I can get help out alot. the way I look at it if I'm going to be making knives for men that put the lives on the line they need to be the best that they can be.

**The Reaper** · 02-16-2008, 10:53

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Originally Posted by chance

Keep the criticism coming guys I'm thick skined and all the idea's I can get help out alot. the way I look at it if I'm going to be making knives for men that put the lives on the line they need to be the best that they can be.

Okay, here is my thumbnail.

Pretty, but very impractical.

IMHO, nearly useless for everyday tasks, and really only practical for a "shanking" type attack, and I have not had to do a lot of those.

Also, probably a lot more likely to cause suspicions and get you a trip to the graybar hotel than a good folder or fixed blade of equivalent length.

Just my .02, YMMV.

TR

swatsurgeon · 02-16-2008, 11:56

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Originally Posted by swpa19

This is one I've carried for a "Few" years. It also comes in a Ladies Model, and a de-magnetized version.

Found one of those on one of my patients as he was getting progressively more pissed off at my nurses, he kept trying to get to his belt....thought he had an itch. He finally wiggled close enough to begin to disengage it from the 'holster/holder', I caught it in my peripheral vision and moved over and caught his arm and did a small amount of additional orthopedic injury to the arm that ALREADY HAD A FRACTURE I'm sure. Called in our police and they had a small private chat with him for 2-3 minutes on how to treat the trauma team with respect. Found a .22 derringer the same way a few years back...built right into a belt buckle.
Could have done a good amount of damage had he used it despite the blade being only 1 1/2 inches long.

ss

**Bill Harsey** · 02-18-2008, 09:15

Swatsurgeon,
Goodcatch with the patient. Did your patient thank you for helping?

Chance,
That's good looking work but I have strong second thoughts about making one of those myself.
Here is my take on making push daggers, as a knifemaker I'm trying to get good at making working fixed blade knives. The push dagger is not by my definition a working fixed blade and I would consider it rare for that knife to have enough use among the Quiet professional's to justify carrying.

The push dagger reminds me of something an old time gambler might carry since this was the era when the popularity of that weapon was high.

There is no grey area surrounding the function of the push dagger blade. This is not going to be helpful to the person carrying that knife if it is ever found on the person by law enforcement or used in a fully justifiable self defense situation.