And Then There's 'Obama History'

BMT (RIP) · 05-27-2008, 14:33

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/05...g-key-details/

He must be using Maxine Waters and John Lewis as speech writers.

BMT

Defender968 · 05-27-2008, 14:43

At what point will people see he and Hillary for what they are, LIARS. I mean don't get me wrong I think pretty much all politicians have a problem telling the truth, but he and Hillary just kill me, they just make stuff up, snipers where there weren't any, uncles in WWII who don't exist, come on folks you’re running to be the POTUS, people are going to check your "facts", how hard is it to just not lie?

JMI · 05-27-2008, 14:49

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uncles in WWII who don't exist

I agree with your post, but I am not sure he did not have an Uncle in WWII, and it may have been another camp that was liberated. Could be he didn't - could be he did.

SF_BHT · 05-27-2008, 15:38

He had a great uncle but you would think that they would get that correct if he knew him...

Dub · 05-27-2008, 16:54

listening to Sean Hannity's radio program while driving today. He played two sound bites of Obama, which were said within a few days of one an other.

Obama said " Iran and Syria are tiny countries and are no threat to us "

then a few days later

"Iran is a grave threat"

SF_BHT · 05-27-2008, 17:03

They are Politicians:

Reality + present audience = A different speech each time

They are not interested in the facts only getting the poor slob they are talking to to vote for them.

3SoldierDad · 05-27-2008, 17:42

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Originally Posted by SF_BHT

They are Politicians:

Reality + present audience = A different speech each time

They are not interested in the facts only getting the poor slob they are talking to to vote for them.

Agreed. But, is that it? Is this where we've come to? No man or woman is perfect, but shouldn't our leaders be among our best people? To be candid I want Presidents that are better than the average guy - intellectually and morally.

There are Democrats that I've respected - Henry "Scoop"J ackson, Sam Nunn, Harry Truman...But, dems today all appear to be morally compromised. They lie so easily, so naturally. To be fair, it really bugs me that John McCain dumped his first wife for a young pretty 20-something blond. Stuff happens I know, but I expect better from someone who will lead the country.

I'm not saying I'm morally superior; I learned at a young age that I was a terrible liar. I tried it a few times - it made me feel terrible and I was almost always discovered. Hillary and Barak are so dishonest and disingenuous - and, they do it so effortlessly. I'm amazed - It's like they have no shame at all. Like a circus act - I didn't know the earth had such creatures.

It is both disgusting and discouraging that so many people follow such obvious liars.

As a nation are we losing our integrity? Or, has it always been like this? With today’s media it is not as easy to lie. Everyone can check on everything. Liars are at a disadvantage. Yet, the liars seem to advance themselves. It's the craziest thing.

Maybe, I'm just getting old and seeing now what has always been true, but I was just too naive to see it.

Three Soldier Dad...Chuck

nmap · 05-27-2008, 19:19

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Originally Posted by 3SoldierDad

As a nation are we losing our integrity? Or, has it always been like this? With today’s media it is not as easy to lie. Everyone can check on everything. Liars are at a disadvantage. Yet, the liars seem to advance themselves. It's the craziest thing.

My impression is that lying has become much more acceptable; not only are people more willing to engage in the behavior, they have a less critical view of those who do.

But I think that is only one aspect of a greater problem. I sense less engagement in the political process among many. Perhaps the perception that votes are for the lesser evil is at the heart of the problem.

Defender968 · 05-28-2008, 07:37

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Originally Posted by JMI

I agree with your post, but I am not sure he did not have an Uncle in WWII, and it may have been another camp that was liberated. Could be he didn't - could be he did.

It occurred to me that he might have had another relative that he referred to as an uncle, and that it could have been another camp, my point was he should know by now that he's running for the highest office in the land, and there are a lot of folks who don't like him, as there are with any politician, which means they will be looking for mistakes and checking his "facts" to ensure he's telling the truth. With that in mind a smart person…. would make sure they were a hard target and completely explain a statements like this, if there is truth in it then why not just use that instead of stretching and twisting it to help your campaign, but I guess it wouldn't have the effect you want and I guess you can't ask a politician to just tell the truth. I'd like to think that a potential POTUS would at least make sure his or her details make sense. It’s just like Hillary and her "misremembering" the snipers who never existed. They can call it misremembering, or whatever they want, but at the end of the day they lied to try to help their campaigns and got caught, unfortunately their supporters don't care and I think the public in general turn a blind eye to this type of behavior.

sf11b_p · 05-29-2008, 13:33

When his intent was righteous indignation over the present administrations treatment of veterans, he might have taken the effort to vet his family stories.

Instead, at least to me, he demonstrated his ignorance of history and the military. He also demonstrated he will use others service, regardless of his ignorance of their beliefs or real history, to benefit his own agendas.

Obama had time to do the research, he first associated U.S. soldiers with Auschwitz in an Oct. 2002 speech against the Iraq war. He didn't care enough to know which relatives, or what the actual stories were.

It's something like a recent Memorial Day editorial I read. The papers editorial writer was explaining how the country should properly recognize the sacrifice of the military. His example was the movie Private Ryan. The words of the last scenes, "Earn this." The example of sacrifice was the graphic first scene... where in his words the Marines landed on Omaha beach.

Counsel · 05-29-2008, 14:59

I may be oversimplifying things, but I don’t think he lied. He is to intelligent not to know that every fact that he states as true will be checked and rechecked both by the Clinton and McCain camps. He shouldn’t want for a second any negative publicity regarding military issues, especially when that is his perceived weakest link.

longrange1947 · 05-29-2008, 17:26

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Originally Posted by Counsel

I may be oversimplifying things, but I don’t think he lied. He is to intelligent not to know that every fact that he states as true will be checked and rechecked both by the Clinton and McCain camps. He shouldn’t want for a second any negative publicity regarding military issues, especially when that is his perceived weakest link.

And Clinton with her sniper story didn't know this as well?

He did not lie, he misspoke. The camp his Great Uncle liberated, or his great uncle's unit liberated, is not as well known as Auschwitz. If no one said anything he was GTG, if he was caught, it was a simple error in sites.

He is intelligent and a political animal of the most dangerous kind.

GratefulCitizen · 05-29-2008, 22:09

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Oops! He misspoke.

If he can't be trusted with little things, how can he be trusted with big things?

SF_BHT · 05-30-2008, 08:01

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Originally Posted by longrange1947

And Clinton with her sniper story didn't know this as well?

He did not lie, he misspoke. The camp his Great Uncle liberated, or his great uncle's unit liberated, is not as well known as Auschwitz. If no one said anything he was GTG, if he was caught, it was a simple error in sites.

He is intelligent and a political animal of the most dangerous kind.

x2 Spot On

If you viewed the news report last night on TV about how he used the letter of the law to win his first State election you would be impressed. He jumped in and used the system to invalidate registry signatures with every loop hole that there was. It was legal but pretty low how he did it. CNN reporter applauded him as being a good politician and a good Chicago Politician.

Counsel · 05-30-2008, 08:51

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Originally Posted by longrange1947

And Clinton with her sniper story didn't know this as well?

He did not lie, he misspoke. The camp his Great Uncle liberated, or his great uncle's unit liberated, is not as well known as Auschwitz. If no one said anything he was GTG, if he was caught, it was a simple error in sites.

He is intelligent and a political animal of the most dangerous kind.

If I understand the Obama story correctly, he substituted the names of the concentration camps. One could understand that he simple misspoke and that would be a very valid defense. But still, one would hope that such an important event in history, and I assume that in Obama's family history as well, he would be completely versed on the subject so this type of negative publicity is still not good for his image.

But Hillary is a different story. She clearly knowingly exaggerated the facts of her sniper story and in that she certainly lied.