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Old 06-11-2007, 18:51   #1
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The Veteran's University Experience

Gentlemen,

I wrote the following with the intention of posting it on a blog that I regularly update. However, I feel that the subject matter will be particularly poignant to individuals in yalls’ distinguished positions. I would love any assessment or comment that you might have on the subject that I am presenting below. The topic has been discussed numerous times (The Liberal, narrow-minded teaching methods employed by American universities), but the situation discussed below was experienced by me so it is especially important for me to discuss it’s particularities in any manner possible.

Thank you.



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You know, more often than not, I write these blogs out of a sense of duty. That is to say that I write them because I feel I have to write them. Lately, it has become rare that I write about an issue that is being written simply out of my own desire. It is not often that a time comes when an issue so compels me that I feel the urge to simply spew forth words…

Tonight’s blog is one of those peculiar, emotionally charged examples.

I have been witness to two illustrations today that relate to the same phenomenon. Without letting the subject of this blog totally “out of the bag” yet, allow me to give you some source material to whet your appetites. The following are links to outside sources:

Samuel Huntington's The Hispanic Challenge (PDF)


CNN.COM: Suicide Risk Double Among Male U.S. Veterans



The Huntington article is from the journal Foreign Policy. It is a well-cited work and quite the source of controversy. Huntington, for all his faults, is Yale AND Harvard educated. He is a noted political scientist and, whether found agreeable or otherwise, his work drives entire movements within the fields of sociology and political science.

The second link is to an article that was presented today on CNN’s website. The article cites research completed that may show a correlation between white, college-educated military veterans and the acts of suicide. While the researchers in the article, themselves, claim that their arguments are inconclusive at best, the suggestion that is made is warrant enough for me to discuss what I currently have residing in my mind.

The Huntington text is noteworthy because it was presented in one of my university classes today. This class is a required course for my particular International Studies major here at the University of South Florida. The professor of this class has been hereunto exceptional. For lack of a better term, I have found minute portions of his lectures to be “quirky.” However, I found nothing too alarming. Today’s class may have changed that. The format in which the Huntington text was presented was, for me, appalling.

Before we get to today’s event, though, let me state my thesis. I suggest that the research completed on the CNN link is correct. I believe that it is highly probable that veterans commit suicide at a higher percentage rate then non-military civilians. I am going to go farther, however, and suggest that this high rate of suicide is caused by university’s continued teaching of material in manners that is so completely out of touch and alien to the military-hardened individual. Today’s class was exactly an example of one that could cause a veteran to go crazy.

This particular Huntington text is highly controversial. It’s very title, The Hispanic Challenge, invokes thoughts of racism. However, the points that the author delivers are not only grounded in empirical fact, but they are made with the intention of making a populace aware of a problem that, in Huntington’s eyes, is very real and very dangerous. And for many of us that have served in the military, the ideal of America is something outside of what the everyday citizen understands. And, for this reason among others, the Huntington text proves very much noteworthy.

So, with all this being said, I was very excited to see on my syllabus that the professor had intended on sharing this text with the class today. And he did. What occurred afterwards was disturbing. He allowed the class to critique the text in oral discussion. This is something that the professor had yet to do after citing any previous material. Of course, the class response was as expected: Huntington is wrong, Huntington is a bigot, the current argument of Huntington’s is the same argument that was made many times in the past concerning previous waves of immigration, etc. Basically, the professor allowed the class to conduct a chorus of material-bashing.

All things being equal, I want to again clear the professor of extended wrong-doing. He tried to stay outside of the discussion and present dissenting opinions. However, I do feel that the response he elicited from the class was premeditated. He knew what the students would say and they said it; Huntington is bad. And, worse, students failed to critically analyze the subject because it was so much easier to suggest that such an extreme opinion was simply a bigoted one and a wrong one.

However, I am not on my soapbox tonight to suggest solely the culpability of my professor. I am here, instead, to show the implications that such methods of teaching can have on the returning soldier. Today’s class, for me, was tough. While I should have spoken up and pointed out the shortsighted nature of my class peers in not considering Huntington’s opinion, I chose not to. I can confidently assume that I would have been outnumbered 49 to 1 in my concern for giving the noted political scientist his due. And, while I am not easily swayed from a rhetorical battle, I knew that this was one that would fall on deaf ears.

However, we can’t assume that every returning soldier has the same grip on life’s dirty realities as I do. As egotistical as that sounds, I have to be honest: there are young men, returning from service, who are entering universities intent on turning the entire world-view that they rely on upside down. My honesty outweighs my humility; I suggest that I can handle a situation such as today's better than many of my military counterparts. And I am completely sympathetic, however, to the pain that they are suffering.

The solder’s world is one of necessary moral and values. The ideal of America, as I referred to above, may be abstract but it is something that the soldier relies on daily as motivation to continue grueling through tasks that the average citizen would fail to complete. This is especially true for those of us that have been asked to risk our lives in this cause’s defense. If the soldier’s perspective of America is one that may be considered by others to be shaded by bigotry and racist overtones, then so be it. Soldiers do not discriminate against blacks, whites, or otherwise. Soldiers serve next to, and fight for, their brothers of all races. However, the concept of America is all the soldier has to rely on. And this concept of America is exactly what Huntington perceives as being under attack. To see such an argument so intensely harassed could surely be traumatizing for many a soldier.

Now, all of this was solely my experience. My experience in Tampa, Florida. My experience in a university that has been less “liberal” in its expressions then I have expected. I can only imagine the university experience being had by veterans in the Boulder, Colorado’s or the Ann Arbor, Michigan’s of our country. If my assumptions are correct about the experiences being had in those areas, then I can see how the findings of the CNN.COM report could easily prove true.

That’s it for tonight. Thank you.


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Old 06-11-2007, 19:40   #2
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I think your rationale assumes a bit much. Yes there are problems with liberal academia; yes I too believe they are the antithesis of most veteran's motivations/ideals; but, I don't think there's any need to shoot yourself just yet. As you stated, the CNN report says the study is inconclusive. Rolling over and quiting (committing suicide) isn't the answer to the problem you've identified. You just need to muster better arguments and attack vigorously. As far as I'm concerned, the fight is most of the fun. (Course it helps if you don't care about the degree.) Try this one for size: http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/lamm.asp (I used the Snopes link to show veracity.) The Huntington paper isn't saying anything most rational people don't already know. Peregrino
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Old 06-12-2007, 03:02   #3
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"About 1.3 percent of deaths (civilians) in the country are estimated to be suicides, Kaplan said. But the true rate may be off by 25 percent,"

Kaplan then describes the veterens death rate as "2.13 times more likely" than the death rate of non-veterens.

Now when I do the math with the numbers this author provides, I calculated 1.89% chance of suicide for veterans versus a 1.43% chance of suicide from non veterens. This is no where close to the claims the author is trying to establish.

Kaplan also admits that the numbers are adjusted:

"for a host of potentially compounding factors, including age, time of service and health status"

which then is followed by the statement:

"the study showed that those who had been in the military were 2.13 times more likely to die of suicide over time." Ummm, ok. Where the hell did that come from?

The author does not explain the adjustment. CNN does not ask why, yet will offer you the findings wholehearted? BUT they do mention availability of guns as a leading concern. Research DOES prove that guns are the leading method of suicide, but that applies to ALL suicide's not just those for veterans.

This is not objective and fair research, nor is it very objective reporting.

"If it bleeds it leads", and I can easily see this article motivated by the always present political agenda that drives our media, and sells papers.

One of the side effects of hailing from the "Show Me " state, is that I tend to view claims that lack discernable proof as opinion. Is there a suicide problem among veterens as the author claims and CNN reports? Based on this article, I would say no.

I do agree with the authors comment about the VA and the need for more attention and funding, but I am afraid that research like this only clouds issues rather than addresses them. That of course, is my opinion.

Fact is though, many people will read the headliner and little else and claim that guns, war, and suicidal tensions are running out of control.

Gotta love the media,,,
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Old 06-12-2007, 06:20   #4
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"Fact is though, many people will read the headliner and little else and claim that guns, war, and suicidal tensions are running out of control.
Gotta love the media,,,"
Sir,

Agreed. Clinton News Network is one of the worst offenders, IMHO.

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Old 06-20-2007, 18:10   #5
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When I read this topic I didn't expect to find a fellow International Studies major going to the same University as I.

Though I was not a soldier, but will be in a few years(ROTC cadet), I can agree with you. I made the mistake of speaking up during a class discussion of a similar topic and found myself arguing with the rest of the class. Since then I have mostly kept my mouth shut, just waiting for college to end so I can start my military career.
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Old 06-20-2007, 19:31   #6
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Gentlemen,

Thanks as always for your replies.

Upon reading a few of them, I reassessed the original article RE: military suicides and came to the conclusion that the "news" being reported may, instead, constitute "Fark." To those that are familiar with the term, I am sure you will see how this article fits the title.

On a side note, I travel to DC tomorrow. I am mentioning this because one of my goals of the trip is to solidify my transfer to an institution that I expect to be even more greatly slanted to the Left then my current one: American University. Despite the expected attitudes that I might encounter should I become accepted, I am looking forward to the opportunity. I am willing to do about anything to reach my lofty career goals.

I guess this was just an update. But if anyone has any advice for dealing with the D.C. populace, its always appreciated

Thanks guys.
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Old 06-20-2007, 20:34   #7
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You're blaming the teacher when you should be blaming yourself. It sounds like you let the class discussion degenerate into a mob scene by not offering your point of view. All this inspite of, as you say, the professor doing his best to prompt alternative opinions.

The attitude that the professor had premeditated some subtle scheme to get the class to rise up in a fit of liberal mob mentality is a cop out. How do you know he wasn't counting on you to advocate for the piece? Besides, if their arguments were as weak as you say, then you shouldn't have had a hard time shooting them full of holes.

I'm not trying to bust your chops, but if you're serious about learning you should be eager to (politely) battletest your opinions at every opportunity. If you are in a seminar/discussion-based class and don't speak up when you have something relevant then you are not getting the full benefit of the education you are seeking and you are not doing right by your fellow students who are depending on you to add your perspective to the discussion.

Also, I'm from Florida and currently live in the DC area. (I'm actually looking at grad school at American if I have time.) If you want any more advice on either, I'm happy to help.
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