11-26-2006, 13:11
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Guerrilla
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I've got ugly groups (no, not the SF kind)
Alright gentlemen, help a sistah out. Went to the range to qualify the other night, and as usual I shot rather well (96 out of 100), but my grouping is just ugly, ugly, ugly. My shots are scattered all over the 8 and 9 ring, no apparent drifting to the left, right, up, or down. We shoot a SW99 .40 (ugh, I know, I don't have a choice) and was wondering if anyone could recommend any drills when I hit the range on my own time to improve my grouping.
Thanks!
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11-26-2006, 17:30
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I'd help but you need to bring yourself here.
(I teach cops for free.)
I cannot evaluate without watching you shoot. (No-one can..)
There's more than one on this board that has received my training. Some will tell you they can now shoot bullet hole through bullet hole, and they can.... 
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11-26-2006, 19:39
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Guerrilla
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I'd love to (any excuse to come to AZ!), but being a cop means I'm also a broke ass  . If I work enough OT for a trip west, I'm there.
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11-26-2006, 21:00
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Originally Posted by Blue
Alright gentlemen, help a sistah out. Went to the range to qualify the other night, and as usual I shot rather well (96 out of 100), but my grouping is just ugly, ugly, ugly. My shots are scattered all over the 8 and 9 ring, no apparent drifting to the left, right, up, or down. We shoot a SW99 .40 (ugh, I know, I don't have a choice) and was wondering if anyone could recommend any drills when I hit the range on my own time to improve my grouping.
Thanks!
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Check your cartridges, do they have little plastic covers with lots of BB's inside?
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11-26-2006, 21:07
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AAAAAHHHHHAAAAAA!!!!! Now who did that to my weapon???
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11-26-2006, 22:11
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I'd love to (any excuse to come to AZ!), but being a cop means I'm also a broke ass . If I work enough OT for a trip west, I'm there. |
Understand.
Next time you shoot place a movie camera in front of you, bout 5 feet to left or right, enough to see your torso to head. Shoot as normal, say 15 minutes, send me the tape. I'm betting I can make you a lot better.
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11-26-2006, 23:24
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Will do. Although my boyfriend will probably attempt to use the tape as a porn substitute. "Oh yes, my chick with a gun..come to Daddy!!"
FYI, my accuracy with my weak hand at a distance (25 yds) is just as good as strong handed, with less practice. I do have that old injury to my strong arm, so I wonder if that has anything to do with it. Just random thoughts in my head....
I'm a much better shot with long guns..maybe I'll just jump out with the shotgun on every call  .
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11-28-2006, 19:54
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Videotaping yourself is great. I'm a fairly proficient handgun shooter, as well as with a carbine/shotgun, but I always catch myself doing something. It's helped reload and transition drills a lot as well.
A few questions though...
Have you changed handgund types within the past several years? Naot a major issue if you are tuned in right, but grip angles can affect things.
One static distance for all shots? or varying (3-25yds?) moving? type of target?
From the ready? holstered? you see the drift here...? I call it chasing the zero, where on some qual targets, the large 5 ring zone offers a large point of aim, and hence a large varied grouping of shots.
Try some drills from the ready on some 3x5 cards from the 5, working back to the 10yd lines at 1 yd intervals.
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11-28-2006, 22:20
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Originally Posted by SMGCat
Videotaping yourself is great. I'm a fairly proficient handgun shooter, as well as with a carbine/shotgun, but I always catch myself doing something. It's helped reload and transition drills a lot as well.
A few questions though...
Have you changed handgund types within the past several years? Naot a major issue if you are tuned in right, but grip angles can affect things.
One static distance for all shots? or varying (3-25yds?) moving? type of target?
From the ready? holstered? you see the drift here...? I call it chasing the zero, where on some qual targets, the large 5 ring zone offers a large point of aim, and hence a large varied grouping of shots.
Try some drills from the ready on some 3x5 cards from the 5, working back to the 10yd lines at 1 yd intervals.
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SGMCat,
I'm guessing this officer is asking "us" a question for a reason.
Might be that we go head to head with dozens of heavily armed terrorists on a regular basis. Might be because we're constantly attending classified shooting schools. I don't know. But do me a favor and wait. Wait until we've taken a look and accessed this officers skills before you decide to offer your opinion.
TS
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11-29-2006, 17:20
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Now I've just got to find a camcorder...sheesh. Nobody I know seems to have one. Too bad you're not at Bragg, TS! I'll endeavor to find one and get a tape out to you as soon as possible.
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11-29-2006, 19:58
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Feel free to let me know when you are free to come to Jim's in FayetteStan. I will be more than happy to show you a few pointers. Ask TS if I can shoot. I practice weekly at the least, multiple calibers. I spent one week in AZ with TS and came away shooting expert on my qual. Can't go wrong there.
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11-29-2006, 22:29
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Now I've just got to find a camcorder...sheesh. Nobody I know seems to have one. Too bad you're not at Bragg, TS! I'll endeavor to find one and get a tape out to you as soon as possible.
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a good digital camera in video mode, zoomed in, might work...
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11-30-2006, 09:56
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Originally Posted by AngelsSix
Feel free to let me know when you are free to come to Jim's in FayetteStan. I will be more than happy to show you a few pointers. Ask TS if I can shoot. I practice weekly at the least, multiple calibers. I spent one week in AZ with TS and came away shooting expert on my qual. Can't go wrong there.
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You spent a week here but we were only on the range two days? (IIRC you went sight seeing  ) You did how ever go from not being able to hit the water if you fell off the boat to outshooting the cops that were shooting with 
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11-30-2006, 17:18
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You did how ever go from not being able to hit the water if you fell off the boat
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LOL - I'll have to remember that one ! (No reflection on you, AngelsSix)
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