04-12-2006, 08:20
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I hope that I am not going outside of my lane with this question. I went to selection this past year and was a non-select. I know that I stunk up the STAR but we were told that land navigation was not the only reason we were not chosen. I am preparing to return to Camp Mackall this June for another try and I am attempting to cure all of my deficiencies. We were not counseled on what the reason(s) we were not selected. I am wondering if there is a way to find out what reason beside land nav that I was not selected.
I fully understand the statement "do your best" however I feel without at least attempting to get some feedback then I am not doing my best.
Thank you very much
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04-12-2006, 08:29
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Originally Posted by odu
I hope that I am not going outside of my lane with this question. I went to selection this past year and was a non-select. I know that I stunk up the STAR but we were told that land navigation was not the only reason we were not chosen. I am preparing to return to Camp Mackall this June for another try and I am attempting to cure all of my deficiencies. We were not counseled on what the reason(s) we were not selected. I am wondering if there is a way to find out what reason beside land nav that I was not selected.
I fully understand the statement "do your best" however I feel without at least attempting to get some feedback then I am not doing my best.
Thank you very much
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Welcome to our world.
Congrats on your decision to try again.
Do the best you can.
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04-12-2006, 09:30
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Just do everything better than you did the first time and you should be good to go.
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04-12-2006, 09:55
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Originally Posted by odu
I hope that I am not going outside of my lane with this question. I went to selection this past year and was a non-select. I know that I stunk up the STAR but we were told that land navigation was not the only reason we were not chosen. I am preparing to return to Camp Mackall this June for another try and I am attempting to cure all of my deficiencies. We were not counseled on what the reason(s) we were not selected. I am wondering if there is a way to find out what reason beside land nav that I was not selected.
I fully understand the statement "do your best" however I feel without at least attempting to get some feedback then I am not doing my best.
Thank you very much
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odu:
We look for the "whole man". The 1SG at SFAS should have explained this to you in detail, to include his "three-legged stool" analogy.
Normal reasons for non-selection in addition to the STAR failure would include poor physical performance, low-intelligence scores, poor aptitude for learning, psych problems, bad spot reports, providing false information, criminal records, inability to obtain a clearance, drug or alcohol problems, poor performance as a team member, and bad peer reports.
In four years of following SFAS classes, I have never seen anyone stay till the end and not be out-counseled.
Were you boarded?
It occurs to me that you probably know deep down inside why you were not selected. You were not selected because you failed to meet a standard. If you can not figure out what it was, that reflects a lack of self-awareness, something that we also look for. If you decide to come back, prepare yourself better in all areas, get your mind right, be a good team member, and do your best.
Good luck.
TR
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04-12-2006, 10:08
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Just do everything better than you did the first time and you should be good to go.
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Have you been selected?
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04-12-2006, 10:12
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try again.
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Congrats on your decision to try again.
Do the best you can.
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Agree!! Congrats on your decision to try again.
Train on your short falls. You know what you didn't do well on. Fix them!
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Just do everything better than you did the first time and you should be good to go.
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Read the Threads in this Forum: Special Forces Assessment & Selection, a lot of info on the posts.
Use the Search button too.
You can always get the BOOK  - WM
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04-12-2006, 10:31
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I like that never give up attitude......you know what went right and wrong.
Good luck...................Do your Best
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04-12-2006, 14:24
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04-12-2006, 14:32
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No single reason for non selection
You weren't selected due to a poor showing on the STAR alone. IF you made it thru the end of team week and were Non-Selected, then you had multiple areas that were considered weak. I have a few questions for you. Please reply to me with answers.
1. Were you a 24 day Non-Select?
2. Were you out counseled?
3. If so, what areas were you told to work on?
4. FINALLY- WHY would you ask anyone on this site WHY you weren't selected?
Nobody will ever give the keys away to the castle to someone who isn't known, trusted, or who has proven himself. You haven't done any of those to this point so quit trying to figure out WHY you didn't make it last time and worry about HOW you will "Do the best you can" next time! If you were given another chance to come back then the Cadre thought enough of you to give you another shot at redemption. Don't screw it up because it will be your last chance.
Good luck...train hard, be a team player.....and DO THE BEST YOU CAN!
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04-12-2006, 18:08
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Thank you all for your replies. I was non-select after the STAR which I performed poorly at. I was not at all prepared for this however I have taken many steps to improve myself in this facet. While we were not individually out counseled, we were told that there were reasons other than land nav that were taken into account into being non-selects.
My time at Camp Mackall made me even more determined to succeed. The cadre gave me an increased respect for all of the qualified soldiers. I have a copy of the "Get Selected" book however nothing prepared me for the terrain and the distance between points in the STAR. I now know what I face and plan on tackling it head on. I also feel that the long distance run hurt me as I trained more for the PT test than the distance runs. Since coming back I have competed in half marathons to cure that deficiency.
Again, thank you everyone for your replies. I apologize if it appeared that I was attempting to get additional G2. I realize now that I was asking for the keys to the castle improperly. Very poor situational awareness on my part.
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04-12-2006, 20:46
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Confusion goes away.
odu,
I was a 24 day non-select but out all that was non-selected I was told to come back. I was confused and wanted answers too for awhile. Forget about it. Your seeking answers you won't find. I did great on the star and didn't get selected, so your doing bad on the star didn't help but it wasn't the whole reason you didn't get selected.
I too was planning on going back. Then had hernia surgery and then got promoted now have to go to BNOC. But my sights are on the OCT or NOV classes.
I feel your pain man. Good Luck
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04-12-2006, 20:59
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odu,
I was a 24 day non-select but out all that was non-selected I was told to come back. I was confused and wanted answers too for awhile. Forget about it. Your seeking answers you won't find. I did great on the star and didn't get selected, so your doing bad on the star didn't help but it wasn't the whole reason you didn't get selected.
I too was planning on going back. Then had hernia surgery and then got promoted now have to go to BNOC. But my sights are on the OCT or NOV classes.
I feel your pain man. Good Luck
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Carbine:
Both you and odu have been given the answers. Maybe they were not what you wanted, but they were correct, and sufficient for you to understand. If anything, I probably gave you more info than I should have.
If you feel that our replies are inadequate, we will not waste any further time trying to explain to you, or any future non-selects.
As I have already pointed out, people who can't figure out the real reason they were not selected lack self-awareness, and that is something that we are looking for.
TR
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04-12-2006, 21:47
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however nothing prepared me for the terrain and the distance between points in the STAR.
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Aye GOD son - STOP SNIVELING! "Terrain"? "Distances"? What the hell are you going to say humping the Hindu Kush? Try your body weight in the Andes. You don't know what terrain and distance is.
Sniveling about a GD walk in the park! I never heard such a thing. All you got to do is walk a bit and find a stake - nobody shooting at you or chasing you.
Do it or don't - but quit whining about it.
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Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimal food or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon and he made his web gear. He doesn't worry about what workout to do - his ruck weighs what it weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True Believer is not concerned about 'how hard it is;' he knows either he wins or dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00, he is home.
He knows only The Cause.
Still want to quit?
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04-12-2006, 21:54
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And for the other one: You feel his "pain"? Both of you report to the "Taps" forum and read ever freakin' post from the beginning. Then go read the "Above and Beyond" forum. Then shut your whining pieholes.
Santa Maria Madre de Dios - you feel his "pain"? You don't know what f-ing pain is.
Troops out there bustin' their asses in conditions you can't even have nightmares about and you two have "pain" about "terrain and distances" at Mackall.
Post some more whinging on this board.
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Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimal food or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon and he made his web gear. He doesn't worry about what workout to do - his ruck weighs what it weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True Believer is not concerned about 'how hard it is;' he knows either he wins or dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00, he is home.
He knows only The Cause.
Still want to quit?
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04-12-2006, 22:11
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Don't mean to hijack this thread but...
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Originally Posted by The Reaper
Normal reasons for non-selection in addition to the STAR failure would include poor physical performance, low-intelligence scores, poor aptitude for learning, psych problems, bad spot reports, providing false information, criminal records, inability to obtain a clearance, drug or alcohol problems, poor performance as a team member, and bad peer reports.
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TR,
I understand you need SECRET clearance prior to attending SOPC/SFAS. But, do they not tell you whether or not your clearance was given prior to getting to the class? Or do they allow you to attend the course before your clearance is determined? The reason I ask is because I have some hindrances that might keep me from obtaining clearance. Either way, I'm going to try. Thanks in advance.
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