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Old 11-15-2004, 23:32   #1
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U.S. to Probe Shooting of Wounded Iraqi

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041116/D86CNL1G0.html

U.S. to Probe Shooting of Wounded Iraqi

Nov 15, 10:56 PM (ET)

By STEVEN R. HURST

NEW YORK (AP) - A U.S. Marine shot and killed a wounded and apparently unarmed Iraqi prisoner in a mosque in the former insurgent stronghold of Fallujah, according to dramatic pool television pictures broadcast Monday. A Marine spokesman in Washington said the shooting was under investigation.

The shooting Saturday was videotaped by pool correspondent Kevin Sites of NBC television, who said three other previously wounded prisoners in the mosque apparently also had been shot again by the Marines inside the mosque.

The incident played out as the Marines 3rd Battalion, 1st Regiment, returned to the unidentified Fallujah mosque Saturday. Sites was embedded with the unit.

Sites reported that a different Marine unit had come under fire from the mosque on Friday. Those Marines stormed the building, killing ten men and wounding five others, Sites said. The Marines said the fighters in the mosque had been armed with rocket-propelled grenades and AK-47 rifles.

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The Marines had treated the wounded, he reported, left them behind and continued on Friday with their drive to retake the city from insurgents who have been battling U.S.-led occupation forces in Iraq with increasing ferocity and violence in recent months.

On the video as the camera moved into the mosque during the Saturday incident, a Marine can be heard shouting obscenities in the background, yelling that one of the men was only pretending to be dead.

The video then showed a Marine raising his rifle toward a prisoner laying on the floor of the mosque but neither NBC nor CNN showed the bullet hitting the man. At that moment the video was blacked out but the report of the rifle could be heard.

The blacked out portion of the video tape, provided later to Associated Press Television News and other members of the network pool, showed the bullet striking the man in the upper body, possibly the head. His blood splatters on the wall behind him and his body goes limp.

Sites reported a Marine in the same unit had been killed just a day earlier when he tended to the booby-trapped dead body of an insurgent.

The events on the videotape began as some of the Marines from the unit accompanied by Sites approached the mosque on Saturday, a day after it was stormed by other Marines.

Gunfire can be heard from inside the mosque, and at its entrance, Marines who were already in the building emerge. They are asked by an approaching Marine lieutenant if there were insurgents inside and if the Marines had shot any of them. A Marine can be heard responding affirmatively. The lieutenant then asks if they were armed and fellow Marine shrugs.

Sites' account said the wounded men, who he said were prisoners and who were hurt in the previous day's attack, had been shot again by the Marines on the Saturday visit.

The videotape showed two of the wounded men propped against the wall and Sites said they were bleeding to death. According his report, a third wounded man appeared already dead, while a fourth was severely wounded but breathing. The fifth was covered by a blanket but did not appear to have been shot again after the Marines returned. It was the fourth man who was shown being shot.

A spokesman at Marine Corps headquarters in the Pentagon, Maj. Doug Powell, said the incident was "being investigated." He had no further details, other than to confirm the incident happened on Saturday and that the Marines involved were part of the 1st Marine Division.

The CNN broadcast of the pictures used pixilation to cover parts of the video that could lead to public identification of the Marines involved.

NBC's Robert Padavick told members of the U.S. television pool that the Pentagon had ordered NBC and other pool members to make sure the Marines identity was hidden because "they (the military authorities) are anticipating a criminal investigation as a result of this incident and do not want to implicate anybody ahead of that."

In New York, NBC spokeswoman Allison Gollust said the network did not broadcast the prisoner being shot because of the "graphic nature" of the video.

Im sure some of you have seen the video, whats your take on this incident?
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Old 11-16-2004, 10:22   #2
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"apparently unarmed"

They have fired from ambulances, shown the white flag, played dead and then fired...
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Old 11-16-2004, 10:28   #3
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This right here is a very sensitive issue. American soldiers are held to a higher standard than almost any other military in the world. And we are expected to follow the Geneva convention no matter what the enemy does. You can't get much intel from a dead prisoner, and if the enemy finds out we execute prisoners then no one will want to surrender. Saying all that, we all know that urban combat is some of the ugliest fighting there is. These guys had been fighting for a long time probable with little sleep, and I'm sure they've seen some friends wounded or killed. Plus the fact the enemy booby traps there wounded and dead, makes for a bad situation. I'm not going to judge the kid because I wasn't there, and with all the external situations ie. he had been wounded the day before, and he had seen a friend hurt from exactly that situation, so I don't think anything should happen to him. I think his biggest mistake was lack of Situational Awareness and doing it in front of a reporter.
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Old 11-16-2004, 10:34   #4
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This right here is a very sensitive issue. American soldiers are held to a higher standard than almost any other military in the world. And we are expected to follow the Geneva convention no matter what the enemy does. You can't get much intel from a dead prisoner, and if the enemy finds out we execute prisoners then no one will want to surrender. Saying all that, we all know that urban combat is some of the ugliest fighting there is. These guys had been fighting for a long time probable with little sleep, and I'm sure they've seen some friends wounded or killed. Plus the fact the enemy booby traps there wounded and dead, makes for a bad situation. I'm not going to judge the kid because I wasn't there, and with all the external situations ie. he had been wounded the day before, and he had seen a friend hurt from exactly that situation, so I don't think anything should happen to him. I think his biggest mistake was lack of Situational Awareness and doing it in front of a reporter.
Well said Max_Tab, I could have not put it better.

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Old 11-16-2004, 10:53   #5
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I think his biggest mistake was lack of Situational Awareness and doing it in front of a reporter.
Reporters look for that news breaking story. It doesn’t matter to them the events that lead to this one particular incident.
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Old 11-16-2004, 10:54   #6
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It will be investigated, the competent authority will make a determination, the appropriate action will be taken. That is all there is to it.
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Old 11-16-2004, 10:58   #7
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Here is the problem I have with the whole thing being broadcast onto TV in the initial period after the incident. We only get the facts that the jackleg reporter wants to convey. He doesn't know the entire story, or most importantly the circumstances leading right up to the incident. Since he can't prove what the soldier said in his defense, he won't report it in the chance that it would be proven wrong or be accused of giving pro-American bias. Yet, he CAN prove that the terrorist is dead and was alive earlier. Then he proceeds to report about the Marine's prior injury and watching a fellow soldier getting killed. This actually gives anyone watching the report a potential "motive" for the illegal killing to the public. It makes it seem very logical to believe that this guy just snapped based on what the reporter included in the report.

I am not saying the guy didn't make the mistake... I admit to feeling the same ideas are running through my head as that so eloquently posted by Max Tab. I understand that individuals on our side could make mistakes too. I am just cautious to publicly agree or affirm any of the circumstances within the report. We are all aware of the almost anti-American bias that exists with out media concerning the potential for success or failure within Iraq.

From the report I saw, the story was portrayed that the poor, innocent unarmed and wounded terrorists was shot in cold blood by the pissed off Marine for payback. Yet, all the while the reporter admitted explicitly that the circumstances and actions of the terrorist immediately before the incident were not clear in fact yet.

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Old 11-16-2004, 11:07   #8
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I agree, I saw the video on tv and it also looked like the terrorist had a blanket on him, I mean who knows what he could have had on him, booby traps were known to be on dead bodies and suchs, maybe the marine thought he had a booby trap on him.
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BTW, this is another marksmanship issue. There should be no such thing as a wounded tango in the first place.
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Old 11-16-2004, 14:47   #10
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Question Where was the outrage?

When four Americans were slaughtered, burned and hung from a bridge?
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When four Americans were slaughtered, burned and hung from a bridge?
'nuff said Brother.
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Old 11-16-2004, 18:29   #12
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U.S. to Probe Shooting of Wounded Iraqi

WTF???? Kerry did the same thing and got a Silver Star!!!

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Old 11-17-2004, 08:22   #13
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Where the cry over the other side capping a 50 year old woman?

And why is the Arab new services NOT broadcasting that footage too! Oh we will analyze to death the thoughts and body language and what was a threat or not a threat…but we give those freaks a PASS when it comes to slaughtering a blindfolded geriatric woman.

Sorry if it doesn’t make this doesn’t make sense but I get so p!ssed when I see our one sided media.

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Old 11-17-2004, 08:35   #14
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When four Americans were slaughtered, burned and hung from a bridge?
And where was it when those same Marines found the dismembered body of a women believed to be Margaret Hassan?
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Old 11-17-2004, 08:52   #15
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You guys said it for me.

The media is really failing, worse than I could have ever imagined.
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