01-23-2012, 09:09
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Socialism is winning.
I rarely post youtube videos but this one is worth a watch. When the "gimmie generation" takes power all will be lost. It was a good couple of hundred years....
Will Generation 'Gimme' Work for the American Dream? Eye-opening
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxHfY...ature=youtu.be
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01-23-2012, 09:19
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Thanks TS,, I will share this..
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01-23-2012, 11:38
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This was actually on the news a few months ago when I seen it, really glad someone put this on youtube.
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01-23-2012, 12:17
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My $.02
Thanks TS,
Not having kids yet that was very revealing, how can kids get to college without exposure to the principles of Locke, Adam Smith etc? The optimist might say well these college kids will clue in later in life than they should have, once they enter the work force and start supporting themselves. A pessimist would say this generation of coddled entitlement in an increasingly volatile geopolitical environment, will naively stumble into great adversity , gaining the work ethic their great grandparents did in the great depression and WW2. Professor Chambless is doing good work here. A POTUS stirring divisive entitlement certainly doesn't help.
The question I'm left with here is this domestic socialistic cultural environment cyclical or systemic? Anyone who can read a book, or turns on the TV can see the endgame for communism/socialism has been failure, look at the USSR for the former, and western Europe right now for the latter. My $.02, The Eurozone financial crisis or solution is not cyclical, this is a systemic cultural characteristic, and they are in crisis because of Socialism mixed with greed.
On the other hand the concept of sheepish masses reliant on the government, " Bread and Circuses" wasn't new to the Roman empire either.
The thing that bothers me the most here is villifying success, or the notion the American Dream doesn't have to be earned with skill, hard work, and a bit of luck...
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01-23-2012, 16:49
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Why we can be optimisitic
While there are many in generation gimme that want life handed to them, I do not believe that these people are our future leaders. In fact, I don't think the majority of the kids that voted , well pretty much in favor of a socialistic American Dream, will even finish college... at least without a swift kick in the behind and a harsh welcome to reality; lazy as they are, they probably won't even show up to the poles on real election day.
The future leaders of America are these people http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...089337,00.html
These people are TRULY people who stand for something, people who are slowly but surely coming into leadership positions in our country. People who make a change, not by chanting "we are the 99%" but finding work, serving their country, & constantly striving to improve themselves for God, Country, and Family.
With all earned respect given to the previous posters, I'm not saying that the people of my generation don't have a problem, but the good ones are still at work and not out there protesting.
Humbly and graciously yours,
Tweeder
Last edited by Tweeder11; 01-23-2012 at 17:00.
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01-23-2012, 21:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by akv
Thanks TS,
Not having kids yet that was very revealing, how can kids get to college without exposure to the principles of Locke, Adam Smith etc? The optimist might say well these college kids will clue in later in life than they should have, once they enter the work force and start supporting themselves. A pessimist would say this generation of coddled entitlement in an increasingly volatile geopolitical environment, will naively stumble into great adversity , gaining the work ethic their great grandparents did in the great depression and WW2. Professor Chambless is doing good work here. A POTUS stirring divisive entitlement certainly doesn't help.
The question I'm left with here is this domestic socialistic cultural environment cyclical or systemic? Anyone who can read a book, or turns on the TV can see the endgame for communism/socialism has been failure, look at the USSR for the former, and western Europe right now for the latter. My $.02, The Eurozone financial crisis or solution is not cyclical, this is a systemic cultural characteristic, and they are in crisis because of Socialism mixed with greed.
On the other hand the concept of sheepish masses reliant on the government, " Bread and Circuses" wasn't new to the Roman empire either.
The thing that bothers me the most here is villifying success, or the notion the American Dream doesn't have to be earned with skill, hard work, and a bit of luck...
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On your comment about John Locke and Adam Smith, I don't ever recall them being mentioned when I was in school, I read about them on my own. I think when/if I have kids I'm going to do home schooling, wasn't a big fan of public school anyway.
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01-23-2012, 21:41
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Professor Chambless is my economics professor. On my first day in his class, we were told to answer this question: "Should the federal government abolish property rights and install a progressive tax system?" 30% said yes, 40% no and the rest didn't answer out of 180 students.
Awesome class by the way, it really taxes your mind.
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01-23-2012, 22:06
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Originally Posted by Tweeder11
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" Their first project was to build an extension and wheelchair ramp for a Vietnam veteran named Kevin Smith."
Those who never served will never know the joy of having thousands of brothers who, when passed in a local store, parking lot, or on the street, say more with a simple nod than a pure civilian could say in a hundred page essay.
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01-23-2012, 22:22
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I suspect that my generation will learn in a very tragic way, that a government powerful enough to give everything is powerful enough to take it all away.
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01-24-2012, 01:04
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GratefulCitizen originally linked Adam Carolla's take on the entitlement mess here, but I feel it is worth listening again. And again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJD8pZiRIzs
Warning: naughty language.
To be honest I am ashamed of my generation; a generation full of 6th place trophy winners and people who were told they were special WAY too much.
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01-24-2012, 08:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tweeder11
While there are many in generation gimme that want life handed to them, I do not believe that these people are our future leaders. In fact, I don't think the majority of the kids that voted , well pretty much in favor of a socialistic American Dream, will even finish college... at least without a swift kick in the behind and a harsh welcome to reality; lazy as they are, they probably won't even show up to the poles on real election day.
The future leaders of America are these people http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...089337,00.html
These people are TRULY people who stand for something, people who are slowly but surely coming into leadership positions in our country. People who make a change, not by chanting "we are the 99%" but finding work, serving their country, & constantly striving to improve themselves for God, Country, and Family.
With all earned respect given to the previous posters, I'm not saying that the people of my generation don't have a problem, but the good ones are still at work and not out there protesting.
Humbly and graciously yours,
Tweeder
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LOL, you slay me........ have you not realized who is currently in office?
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01-24-2012, 09:07
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LOL, you slay me........ have you not realized who is currently in office?
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... TOUCHÉ Team Sergeant... TOUCHÉ
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01-24-2012, 11:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by plato
"Their first project was to build an extension and wheelchair ramp for a Vietnam veteran named Kevin Smith."
Those who never served will never know the joy of having thousands of brothers who, when passed in a local store, parking lot, or on the street, say more with a simple nod than a pure civilian could say in a hundred page essay.
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Bravo!!!.............
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01-24-2012, 18:05
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Here's another doozy
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01-24-2012, 18:32
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Agree wholeheartedly:
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"Keeping the American dream alive has become "the defining issue of our time," President Barack Obama says. He's using Tuesday night's State of the Union address to draw a stark election-year line with Republicans over how to keep the United States from eroding further into a nation of haves and have-nots."
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First: A "Dream" is not real. (I kid not, it isn't real)...
Second: A "Dream" provides motivation for action.
Third: Without "Haves" there is nothing to "Dream" about
Fourth: Without a "Dream" you have no "Motivation" to act
Fifth: Without "Motivation" you have a lazy, apathetic society with it's hand out and no reason to "Dream".
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From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.
Karl Marx
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