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So three of four are not hostile, correct?
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No, they are tacit supporters, enablers, and apologists.
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Btw, I'm already convinced we are at war. Just not with Islam.
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Till I see more Muslims taking a stronger stand against the terrorists, I remain unsure that is the case.
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Should have been. But weren't. And the fact that we made mistakes in the past should be the basis for us not making the same mistakes today and being able to recognize that others may make the same mistakes without being evil people.
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Sorry, I am not responsible for the actions of Europeans before our country was founded. I am responsible for ensuring that my kids are not brutally butchered by a Islamic lunatic who believes it when his Islamic religious advisor tells him (and all of his Islamic congregation) that killing infidels (like my kids) is Allah's will and a sure route to Islamic Heaven. When other Moslems look the other way, make excuses, or blame the Jews, rather than facing reality and excommunicating the Moslem religious leaders responsible, they are the enemy.
So by your logic, the German people were not responsible for the actions of the Nazis because they didn't actually stuff anyone into the ovens themselves?
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Fighting all of Islam is not doable, and the idea that it should be done is foolish (I am not claiming that you are suggesting that idea, but following the thread title).
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I disagree. It is a huge task, but not impossible. The Moslems need to get their heads out of their asses and their religious leaders under control, or that is exactly what is going to happen, which benefits no one but the same Wahabi idiots who started this.
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There are troops from Indonesia, Malaysia, Pakistan, Morocco, Iraq, Afghanistan, Turkey, Uzbekistan, Bahrain, Jordan and I am sure others that are risking their lives in the GWOT on our side. They are Muslims by and large.
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Some of these troops are supporting us. Most are only reluctantly participating, like the Pakistanis, because their government forces them to. Go to those same countries, and look at the polls. The majority of their populations believe that the US got what it deserved on 9/11, or that Islamic terrorists were not responsible. Name the only nations to recognize Afghanistan under the Taliban. Where are the fatwas against OBL and the other terrorists? Why are the majority of Moslem leaders not standing up every day on camera and saying that anyone with the blood of innocents on his hands will never be allowed to enter Heaven?
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So, are we to turn away the help of those sheepdogs in our quest for a war with Islam? Shall we declare them to be enemies? They are Islam at least as much as the Islamists.
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We can use them to the extent they will actually cooperate. If you think they are willing allies, I think you are mistaken. I believe that OBL is in Pakistan and that the Pak government knows where he is. IMHO, most of those "sheepdogs" that you cite would rather be killing Americans than AQ and Taliban.
The Japanese and German people who were farmers and businessmen during the early 1940s were treated as our enemies just like their leaders till they were defeated. Then they were treated decently as fellow citizens again. Did Sherman fail to burn and sack property in the South held by Union sympathizers? They are enablers and have to be shown the error of their ways.
GH, why don't you take a look at the scum who are currently deliberately killing innocents around the world on a massive scale in their God's name and tell me what their religion is? What do they have in common? Bear in mind that Jews, Moslems, and Christians are all people of the book and should be brothers.
We are not at war with a religion, but we are in a fight for our lives with a very large group of dedicated people bent on the absolute destruction of the West, and they all happen to be Moslems.
This fight is not going to be over till we kill every one of them who wishes us harm, they kill us, or they decide that what they are doing is wrong and quit. The COA selected is up to them.
TR