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SERPENT5XX · 07-09-2005, 11:25

Gentlemen,

I have heard several stories of Wolf ammo causing problems but have never personally seen it happen.

Over the years I have seen: a box of American made of 9 mm. ammo with a round of .380 ammo mixed in (that was weird!), several rounds of American made ammo with no powder in the case and some Green -Tip military 5.56 ball that had deformed bullet tips.

I expect that eventually I will see some messed up Wolf.

Honestly I have shot quite a large volume of Wolf and have seen even more of it fired down range.

I usually stick to the 9mm Wolf out of my Glocks, SIG’s or my M9. The 7.62x39 out of my AK and a small amount of 5.56 from one of my M4 clones. I used to buy it in 5-10 case lots. It is no exaggeration to say I have shot in excess of 20,000 round of it out of my own guns in the last 3-4 years. So far (knock on wood) I have not seen any problems other than cleaning the gummy lacquer out of the chamber. I usually oil my guns fairly heavy when I am shooting Wolf and this seems to help keep the gummy stuff to a minimum.

When I went to the “Stans” before 9-11, we took 40,000 rounds of 7.62x39 and 27,000 rounds of 9x18 for use in a JCET. Watched all of it fired during training with no problems. Our Russian Terps found it amusing that we brought Russian ammo from the US to train in the FSU. We bought it because it was available in the right caliber, quantity and was the least expensive (always an issue on JCETS). I know Com-bloc guns are made for this ammo but if Wolf blew up as much as everyone claims I think we might have seen it in all those rounds fired.

Another interesting thing is Wolf actually uses Dillon Reloaders in their R&D. I watched a Russian news program about how the Russian Military Ordnance plants were making more ammo for export to the US than they made for the Russian Military. When they showed the workbench area in the lab there were a couple of Dillion 550's larger than life. Later I talked to one of my contacts at Dillion and they said they had heard the same thing from several other sources.

Bottom line: Use your own personal judgment. Would I shoot Wolf in my (collector guns) Les Baer, Colt Python or Kimber Warrior? Probably not, just due to the steel cases causing a slight premature wear. Will I continue to shoot 1,000’s of rounds in my (tool guns) SIG, Glock, and Beretta? Yes.

I do not have an axe to grind one way or the other, all I care about is putting as many rounds down range while training as possible. If I can shoot Wolf at $89 per 1,000 instead of brand X at $120, great. If that means my SIG lives for 30,000 rounds instead of 40,000 rounds, whatever. It all means more shooting.

I do like to reload but the most valuable resource I have is my time. So I while I will continue to reload for my 300 Win Mag, 308, 223, and 22-250 precision rifles, but for my tools I will shoot what provides the most training.

Thanks,

SERPENT5XX

07-09-2005, 11:25	#36
SERPENT5XX Quiet Professional Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: On the road Posts: 105	Wolf Ammo Gentlemen, I have heard several stories of Wolf ammo causing problems but have never personally seen it happen. Over the years I have seen: a box of American made of 9 mm. ammo with a round of .380 ammo mixed in (that was weird!), several rounds of American made ammo with no powder in the case and some Green -Tip military 5.56 ball that had deformed bullet tips. I expect that eventually I will see some messed up Wolf. Honestly I have shot quite a large volume of Wolf and have seen even more of it fired down range. I usually stick to the 9mm Wolf out of my Glocks, SIG’s or my M9. The 7.62x39 out of my AK and a small amount of 5.56 from one of my M4 clones. I used to buy it in 5-10 case lots. It is no exaggeration to say I have shot in excess of 20,000 round of it out of my own guns in the last 3-4 years. So far (knock on wood) I have not seen any problems other than cleaning the gummy lacquer out of the chamber. I usually oil my guns fairly heavy when I am shooting Wolf and this seems to help keep the gummy stuff to a minimum. When I went to the “Stans” before 9-11, we took 40,000 rounds of 7.62x39 and 27,000 rounds of 9x18 for use in a JCET. Watched all of it fired during training with no problems. Our Russian Terps found it amusing that we brought Russian ammo from the US to train in the FSU. We bought it because it was available in the right caliber, quantity and was the least expensive (always an issue on JCETS). I know Com-bloc guns are made for this ammo but if Wolf blew up as much as everyone claims I think we might have seen it in all those rounds fired. Another interesting thing is Wolf actually uses Dillon Reloaders in their R&D. I watched a Russian news program about how the Russian Military Ordnance plants were making more ammo for export to the US than they made for the Russian Military. When they showed the workbench area in the lab there were a couple of Dillion 550's larger than life. Later I talked to one of my contacts at Dillion and they said they had heard the same thing from several other sources. Bottom line: Use your own personal judgment. Would I shoot Wolf in my (collector guns) Les Baer, Colt Python or Kimber Warrior? Probably not, just due to the steel cases causing a slight premature wear. Will I continue to shoot 1,000’s of rounds in my (tool guns) SIG, Glock, and Beretta? Yes. I do not have an axe to grind one way or the other, all I care about is putting as many rounds down range while training as possible. If I can shoot Wolf at $89 per 1,000 instead of brand X at $120, great. If that means my SIG lives for 30,000 rounds instead of 40,000 rounds, whatever. It all means more shooting. I do like to reload but the most valuable resource I have is my time. So I while I will continue to reload for my 300 Win Mag, 308, 223, and 22-250 precision rifles, but for my tools I will shoot what provides the most training. Thanks, SERPENT5XX
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