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Old 11-25-2020, 20:17   #556
tonyz
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Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick View Post
All very good and salient points but, I believe they have already over stepped their "small increments" approach this past year. This election will never be seen as legitimate by the moderate middle and the alt-right. The left believe they did nothing wrong and nothing illegal happened, that Biden was rightfully elected by a majority and the media is promoting a major front that there is a clear winner and a bad (sore) loser. The far left is promoting a stereotype that will blow open the caste system in America and when people finally see what's happening beyond their city, beyond their county borders, beyond Fox News...they are going to be rightfully upset with accepting the results this time and moving on. Trump opened their eyes. A president for the first time in a very long time came to their home town and spoke to them; he spoke to them every single day unlike any president in recent history or history ever. He told them for four years, "yes Virginia, there is a deep state, it is real, and they will cheat, lie and steal to take what is rightfully yours and give it away to people who didn't ever do anything for it, they will sell your livelihood to a foreign power for pennies on the dollar and keep the change. This is what changed this time, this is why Trump is "loved by the people" when was the last time you ever heard that? (JFK?)

People right now (on both sides) are waiting patiently for the legal process to play out. Regardless of which way the SC comes down a large group of people are going to be pissed, pissed enough to possibly start a revolution.

At this point I don't see any other possible outcome. 2020 may have been the most unusual year in world history, but 2021 is going to be the "first" year of the next progressive step forward and I don't mean that as "progressives starting a new world order" but a course correction where past meets future and a cultural reckoning is finally brought out of the shadows and the pieces fall where they may.

When people finally see what COVID was and what COVID wasn't and they see how it was used by the left to control the population and take away and strip individual freedoms...ruin business and shutter main street, they are going to go ballistic and those people who propagandized this virus for personal and political gain aren't going to find a nice place to live, call home or retire to.

So they have to act fast "incremental" is not going to work.

JMOO
Concur with your observations that Trump did this nation the most valuable service of exposing the deep state. The level of corruption (or bad judgment - which are both very bad answers) lurking just below the surface of Washington DC institutions - for all to see - is astounding.

But, just think of the power of the corrupt media...we endured an FBI investigation and an impeachment trial on the flimsiest evidence (if you can call it that) and yet the media buried the corruption of Klinton and Biden as if nothing at all existed.

We can no longer underestimate the power of the corrupt media to unduly influence cultural shifts, elections, shutdowns, and wars (and even individual criminal charges) in America. We also know now that the media will now completely look the other way for one political party. Damn.

Moreover, the media can run interference for release of the truth. That is one BIG megaphone that they control.

You may well be on to something that events may force the left’s hand to go big...but, will their reach exceed their grasp...and will an over extension trigger other events? Will the right winning the Senate force the incremental strategy?

That is the conundrum we find ourselves in.

I do believe we must be ready for anything.

Appreciate your thoughts and our discussion.
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