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Originally Posted by plato
The chart/study is slightly flawed. Checking analyses done for the Govt. was my "bread and butter" before 9/11 when regional EOC's were dumped in my lap.
I'll offer the analysis I did for my nephew (typical Kalifornian).
5 basketball players, earning $1,000,000 each are paying taxes on 5 Mil.
Along comes Pedro, displacing one. (as long as there are those seeking jobs, an American is displaced by each illegal).
We now have 5 players paying taxes on $5 Mil, just like before. There is no contribution on the plus side.
However, 4 of the 5 original players now have the burden of paying into social programs to support the displaced American. That displaced American has certainly not profited from the fact that Pedro is paying taxes. The results also go into the negative column.
When my division was in the business of analyzing studies going forward to D.C., we found 80% or more were flawed. (Folks at Rand still grit their teeth when they hear my name. ) 
When it comes to studies such as the above, I imagine the flaw rate is even higher |
Would it be fair to assume that your nephew is of the impression that the illegal displaces no one because he simply takes the available job that is not filled because an American will not do it?
I agree completely on the wall but I will share my experience from working nearly 7 years in meat packing plants in my hometown....the job was physical, dirty and demanding with low pay in the 80's I started at 7.39 per hr....all I heard from the people in my town was the Mexicans were taking all our jobs this was during the 80's prior to NAFTA, Every year at least a few times a year the immigration folks would show up at the plant with 5-6 buses and rounded up the illegals or as they were called by locals the Mojados, the plant would go from 7/24hr to 7/12hr or more if people would stay. Every monday new hires were brought in during orientation on a tour of the plant. What really irked me was these same guys who claimed they could not get a job never asked for the jobs the Mexicans vacated when deported and stayed home and kept complaining.....a few weeks later the same Mexicans would start filtering back in under new names.
So I understand the argument that their are jobs most Americans will not do and their are jobs Americans will not try to excel at where these illegals and some legals will not only work the will work hard to provide for their family.....the issues in my hometown? the Vaqueros and the cattle trade have a long intertwined history in America especially in my hometown....they do jobs others would rather not that we need done.
The major issue is the welfare network they can navigate like professionals.....this is the draw today the ones I knew worked hard and were tough hombres but the flip side was the free healthcare they finagled the food stamps and the money they sent back home to Mexico. They developed their own black markets, bars, stores, car dealerships etc....and now because with a second possibly third generation there from my time the sense of entitlement has set in and the town is now a liberal democrat area with the growth of welfare programs that cater to them.....this is the road we have gone down the welfare system is well known they share the knowledge and now they even have family members working in the social services jobs making sure the system is exploited to the fullest.