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**The Reaper** · 03-02-2005, 20:59

I am going to lay it out for you people as I see it. This is just my personal observation and opinion.

There are animals among us of all ages, whether born or made that way by their environment. They will never be tamed or domesticated, no matter how many times you turn your cheek, they will be there to strike. The BTK Killer, Jeffrey Dahmer, David Berkowitz, Charles Manson, will never be normal functioning members of society. They are wolves among us in a society comprised mostly of sheep. Others of us choose to be the sheepdogs. Whether their crimes were committed at 12, 16, or 18, these wolves are incorrigable. They are sufficiently mature and intelligent to know right from wrong, but they do not believe it, do not care, or think that they are beyond the law. I think by the time we trust you to drive a car safely, you know that it is wrong to kidnap, torture, rape, and murder a 10 year old girl. Some people know right from wrong at 8, and some do not at 80. A young punk of 17 should know that it is wrong to kill another human. I do not want my kids exposed to the one who has failed to understand that, even if the murderer has been a model inmate for 50 years. I do not believe that these people are reformed.

Some of these people slide into an escalating series of criminal behavior, others just leap into their abberrant behavior full tilt. Few begin as hard core murderers. As Rudy noted, one broken window unrepaired leads to a lot of broken windows and broken lives, eventually. We don't execute kids for breaking windows. Most do a lot of bad things before reaching the point of being tried in a capital case. They need to learn action equals consequence and personal responsibility before they reach that state.

The ones that are the most heinous and are found to have absolutely committed cold, calculating, premeditated murder (and the states consider mitigating and extenuating circumstances) should be put to death in the same manner as their victims. We do not attempt to reason with rabid dogs, or man-eating tigers. We kill them. I do not care what your IQ is, your sanity was, your race or ethnicity might be, or your age. You should die for your crime, preferrably in a horrible manner. Executions should be returned to public places, not hidden as they are now. You should see these people die, and it should be carried out in a timely fashion. There are people on Death Row today who have exceeded their life expectancy on the street because they are incarcerated. protected by the state, and using the appeal system (with the assistance of the lib lawyers on the left) to draw out their evil existence. You should be tried, and if found guilty of a capital crime by your peers, executed in a public place near the scene within 12 months of your crime.

You drown your kids in a car; abduct, rape, torture and murder a mother; tie up, rape, and set afire a great-grandmother; kill a law enforcement officer in an ambush; or bury someone alive; I do not care one whit what your age is, you are one dangerously crazy SOB and should not be living on this planet.

Many here should remember when insanity became the plea excusing people from all sorts of hideous crimes. Look at women coldly and methodically killing their own kids in a horrible manner. Kill your kids, go to the mental asylum for a few years, and become sane again to be let out. Not Guilty by reason of insanity. Want her for a neighbor? What do you think the chances of her becoming a contributing member of society are? It became a crutch.

You let kids of 16 and 17 kill without facing the death penalty, they will be operating with impunity till they are caught, and after they are released. This ruling sends a very bad message to those who think that they are above the law.

No, I feel strongly that while some people who commit a capital crime may be too immature to understand the nature of their crime, the calendar is not the best determiner of that and the corect people to determine that are a jury of their peers, not the Supreme Court.

That's all I have to say about that.

TR

03-02-2005, 20:59	#32
The Reaper Quiet Professional Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Free Pineland Posts: 24,816	I am going to lay it out for you people as I see it. This is just my personal observation and opinion. There are animals among us of all ages, whether born or made that way by their environment. They will never be tamed or domesticated, no matter how many times you turn your cheek, they will be there to strike. The BTK Killer, Jeffrey Dahmer, David Berkowitz, Charles Manson, will never be normal functioning members of society. They are wolves among us in a society comprised mostly of sheep. Others of us choose to be the sheepdogs. Whether their crimes were committed at 12, 16, or 18, these wolves are incorrigable. They are sufficiently mature and intelligent to know right from wrong, but they do not believe it, do not care, or think that they are beyond the law. I think by the time we trust you to drive a car safely, you know that it is wrong to kidnap, torture, rape, and murder a 10 year old girl. Some people know right from wrong at 8, and some do not at 80. A young punk of 17 should know that it is wrong to kill another human. I do not want my kids exposed to the one who has failed to understand that, even if the murderer has been a model inmate for 50 years. I do not believe that these people are reformed. Some of these people slide into an escalating series of criminal behavior, others just leap into their abberrant behavior full tilt. Few begin as hard core murderers. As Rudy noted, one broken window unrepaired leads to a lot of broken windows and broken lives, eventually. We don't execute kids for breaking windows. Most do a lot of bad things before reaching the point of being tried in a capital case. They need to learn action equals consequence and personal responsibility before they reach that state. The ones that are the most heinous and are found to have absolutely committed cold, calculating, premeditated murder (and the states consider mitigating and extenuating circumstances) should be put to death in the same manner as their victims. We do not attempt to reason with rabid dogs, or man-eating tigers. We kill them. I do not care what your IQ is, your sanity was, your race or ethnicity might be, or your age. You should die for your crime, preferrably in a horrible manner. Executions should be returned to public places, not hidden as they are now. You should see these people die, and it should be carried out in a timely fashion. There are people on Death Row today who have exceeded their life expectancy on the street because they are incarcerated. protected by the state, and using the appeal system (with the assistance of the lib lawyers on the left) to draw out their evil existence. You should be tried, and if found guilty of a capital crime by your peers, executed in a public place near the scene within 12 months of your crime. You drown your kids in a car; abduct, rape, torture and murder a mother; tie up, rape, and set afire a great-grandmother; kill a law enforcement officer in an ambush; or bury someone alive; I do not care one whit what your age is, you are one dangerously crazy SOB and should not be living on this planet. Many here should remember when insanity became the plea excusing people from all sorts of hideous crimes. Look at women coldly and methodically killing their own kids in a horrible manner. Kill your kids, go to the mental asylum for a few years, and become sane again to be let out. Not Guilty by reason of insanity. Want her for a neighbor? What do you think the chances of her becoming a contributing member of society are? It became a crutch. You let kids of 16 and 17 kill without facing the death penalty, they will be operating with impunity till they are caught, and after they are released. This ruling sends a very bad message to those who think that they are above the law. No, I feel strongly that while some people who commit a capital crime may be too immature to understand the nature of their crime, the calendar is not the best determiner of that and the corect people to determine that are a jury of their peers, not the Supreme Court. That's all I have to say about that. TR __________________ "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. 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