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RomanCandle · 07-30-2014, 04:45

I respectfully put that the "evidence" against Russia or "Separatists" in this case is sketchy at best. Satellite pics taken from Digital Globe. No actual evidence other than what the Dept of State posts on twitter. Of course they keep saying they have hard evidence but Jen Psaki and Marie Harf keep defaulting to social media.

Other reports have also placed SA11 "Buk" systems belonging to Ukraine in the areas involved. Why would they be there considering that the "Rebels" don't have so much as a Cessna among them? "Rebels" surely did shoot down other lower flying attack planes but with SA11 or manpad? The so called Separatist controlled areas appear to be quite dynamic with no clear lines drawn with Ukraine forces in very close proximity.

As to RT being the Kremlin's propaganda outlet I would put it forward that they have been a lot more objective than any Western media who has vigorously pushed the US State Dept version at the exclusion of any other possibility or even given any airtime to what the other side has said.

Sources from the US and Ukraine can in no way be considered impartial. The Maidan regime change revolution was actively encouraged by the US State Dept with not a single word for calm or restraint (except aimed at the then government) coming from that quarter during vicious attacks against the the police etc followed by a massive amount of rhetoric from State Dept mouthpieces, Victoria Nuland, Jen Psaki etc during subsequent anti Right-Sector protests after the overthrow.

Hereafter the State Dept/ MSM have jumped all over the tragedy of MH 17 delivering swift judgement by MSM/ Social Media before any investigations have been completed spreading rumors of tampering with the recording device by "Rebels" or smuggling of said devices to Russia etc. One cant help but think it speaks volumes that they have not once raised voice regarding the horrific loss of civilian life perpetrated by the Ukrainian military. Not once. The media has unquestioningly run with each sensationalist rumor providing precious little hard evidence and completely ignoring elements of this conflict that might bring he US governments real interests into question with the public. It brings that saying to mind: ":Never let a good crisis go to waste."

I'm struggling to see how a group of leaders can be so denigrated by so many for their willingness to trample on peoples constitutional rights. Lie to voters, or leave an ambassador to his fate in Benghazi yet rally so much support for certain stances. Does having a common enemy serve a broader political purpose?

I would also disagree that the Russians are responsible for killing Ukrainians. On the contrary there is substantial footage similar to the extremely graphic and disturbing video posted that more than suggests it is the Kiev controlled Ukrainian military who are perpetrating the killing of Estern Ukrainian civilians. Obviously people supporting them tacitly or otherwise share in that responsibility.

1:21.07 of this video says a lot as does the following:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-resp...kraine/5367968

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

07-30-2014, 04:45	#14
RomanCandle Guerrilla Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Johannesburg, South Africa Posts: 232	I respectfully put that the "evidence" against Russia or "Separatists" in this case is sketchy at best. Satellite pics taken from Digital Globe. No actual evidence other than what the Dept of State posts on twitter. Of course they keep saying they have hard evidence but Jen Psaki and Marie Harf keep defaulting to social media. Other reports have also placed SA11 "Buk" systems belonging to Ukraine in the areas involved. Why would they be there considering that the "Rebels" don't have so much as a Cessna among them? "Rebels" surely did shoot down other lower flying attack planes but with SA11 or manpad? The so called Separatist controlled areas appear to be quite dynamic with no clear lines drawn with Ukraine forces in very close proximity. As to RT being the Kremlin's propaganda outlet I would put it forward that they have been a lot more objective than any Western media who has vigorously pushed the US State Dept version at the exclusion of any other possibility or even given any airtime to what the other side has said. Sources from the US and Ukraine can in no way be considered impartial. The Maidan regime change revolution was actively encouraged by the US State Dept with not a single word for calm or restraint (except aimed at the then government) coming from that quarter during vicious attacks against the the police etc followed by a massive amount of rhetoric from State Dept mouthpieces, Victoria Nuland, Jen Psaki etc during subsequent anti Right-Sector protests after the overthrow. Hereafter the State Dept/ MSM have jumped all over the tragedy of MH 17 delivering swift judgement by MSM/ Social Media before any investigations have been completed spreading rumors of tampering with the recording device by "Rebels" or smuggling of said devices to Russia etc. One cant help but think it speaks volumes that they have not once raised voice regarding the horrific loss of civilian life perpetrated by the Ukrainian military. Not once. The media has unquestioningly run with each sensationalist rumor providing precious little hard evidence and completely ignoring elements of this conflict that might bring he US governments real interests into question with the public. It brings that saying to mind: ":Never let a good crisis go to waste." I'm struggling to see how a group of leaders can be so denigrated by so many for their willingness to trample on peoples constitutional rights. Lie to voters, or leave an ambassador to his fate in Benghazi yet rally so much support for certain stances. Does having a common enemy serve a broader political purpose? I would also disagree that the Russians are responsible for killing Ukrainians. On the contrary there is substantial footage similar to the extremely graphic and disturbing video posted that more than suggests it is the Kiev controlled Ukrainian military who are perpetrating the killing of Estern Ukrainian civilians. Obviously people supporting them tacitly or otherwise share in that responsibility. 1:21.07 of this video says a lot as does the following: http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-resp...kraine/5367968 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957 Last edited by RomanCandle; 07-30-2014 at 07:28.
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