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Originally Posted by The Reaper

RT is merely the Kremlin's propaganda outlet in the affair, much like Izvestia and Pravda.

Of course, it is. But this is nothing new or outrageous. I don’t know of a truly independent media. Any media resource promotes someone, a particular point of view. Even the one who calls himself the most independent.

I think the evidence offered thus far by non-involved nations speaks much more directly to the Russian or their "separatist" partners having committed this mass murder.

But what is this "evidence"? Let's look at them in more detail.

MH17 was brought down by a vehicle mounted Russian air defense missile.

Who approves it and what evidences he claims? On what basis the following words quoted: «Russian», «air defense missile» in relation to the fallen Вoeing? As I know, nobody approved that the cause of the accident was not air-to-air missile, onboard bomb or Ukrainian air defense missile. I have heard that the cause of the accident was the sudden decompression. And not something more, yet.

This missile was fired from "separatist" controlled airspace

It is a controversial statement. Here some quotes of the press service of the Russian Ministry of Defense:
“Part of the route of Malaysian Boeing 777 and the place of his fall fall into the effective area two batteries Ukrainian air defense missile system (ADMS) long-range S-200 batteries and three medium-range SAM "Buk-M1".
"Russian radio equipment for July 17 fixed radar work 9s18 "Dome" batteries SAM "Buk-M1", stationed near the village of Styla (30 km south of Donetsk)".
"Technical features of the complex air defense "Buk-M1" allow to exchange of information on air between the batteries to the same division. "Thus, the launch of missiles could also be done with all the batteries stationed in the village Avdiyivka (8 km north of Donetsk) or Gruzsko-Zaryanskoe (25 km east of Donetsk)".
"These facts are fully confirmed by means of objective control".
Interesting briefing of Russian Ministry of Defense with translation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tQlRBC0MEI
Textual materials to briefing (w/o translation):
http://function.mil.ru/news_page/cou...1970771@egNews
I understand your skepticism to these sources, but at the briefing was voiced a number of questions to the Ukrainian authorities, which simply ignored. Also stated that all necessary data for objective control passed to all interested parties. However, reactions to these data are also not yet sounded.

very close to the Russian border.

48.126145, 38.628763. About 35 km. The flight took place towards the Russian border. At the same time the plane fell out of plumb, but by glide path, then it began to fall even further from the border. Maybe even a few dozen kilometers from the crash site. Maybe even before entering the airspace over the territory controlled by the separatists. And it is not very big. Here is the current map: http://cassad.net/?do=warmarker

Other aircraft have been shot down in the same area in the days leading up to the MH17 shootdown. The "separatists took full credit for the earlier SAM attacks.

Previous plane, you mentioned, according to the authorities, carried cargo parachute landing on point object from a height, as I recall, about 6000 meters, so announcement of height is unlikely true. For this task, so more suitable height, which is readily available for MANPADS. This means that the incident does not prove the presence of the rebels SAM "Buk".
The rebels and their leaders have never declared that they have SAM "Buk".
Available on this subject (only one, and not from leader) mention is a retelling gossip "I heard that the guy saw."
On the contrary, the Attorney General of Ukraine directly told the president that the rebels do not have and can not have SAM "Buk" and C-200.
Google confirms it's easy.

The "separatist" leadership claimed responsibility for the shootdown until it was demonstrated to be a civilian airliner, at which point they attempted to disavow involvement and redirect accusations elsewhere.

The "separatist" leadership did not claimed responsibility for this shootdown. All available claims belongs to unknowns, who named themselves in net as rebels and to its numerous reposters. Even if such claims from real rebels were, need to understand the following: one of the rebels groups saw that the big plane falling from the sky. Knowing that all aircraft in the area belongs to the Ukrainian military (airspace was officially closed, details with big heights were open few people knew), the only thing that can come to these people mind, - “we knocked Ukrainian cargo plane again!”. News flies in the network. Other rebels groups is also confirmed. Maximum repost.

The media has shown an SA-11 launcher with two expended missiles on a transporter leaving eastern Ukraine and crossing into Russian territory only a few days after the incident.

Suppose I claim that it was the Belarusian air defense system "Buk" illegally arrived in Poland and then escaped back to Belarus.
Videos and photos cannot refute my statement.

Voice intercepts demonstrate "separatist" involvement in the crime and the subsequent coverup attempts.

Edited assorty created one day before the disaster. Personally seen the analysis, already tired to look for links, maybe later.

"Separatists" attempted to block media and investigator access to the crash site for several days, while simultaneously looting the personal belongings of the victims. Evidence was likely taken or destroyed in this time frame. International correspendents and investigators (outside of Russia) have been quite clear about who has obstructed their access, and it was not the Ukranians.

Rebels already hoarse, calling any experts, not knowing what to do with the corpses in the heat for a long time. Ukrainian army bombed and shelled the neighborhood, despite the criticisms of European politicians.

These are not the actions of the Ukranian state, and there is blood on the hands of the Russian leadership in this. The Russians and their clients will kill as many Ukranians as necessary to achieve their ends.

It is no secret that on the world stage there is a big game. We know the obvious goals of all parties. It is the future location of the border between East and West, and about whose energy resources Europe will buy in the next decades. And in general, the price of the issue is whether the U.S. will allow to appear (or reborn) real competitor to itself.
Ukraine - just one of the locations of the game. As Syria or Libya. And here, too, is war. One of the forms of this war, we are now witnessing. I'm talking about the information war.
A characteristic feature of this information war is the following fact: Player with a more powerful media capabilities (in this case, I mean pro-Western forces), allows himself to just throw allegations, not bothering to ensure their probative.
At the same time, any argument on the other hand are simply ignored or, at best, derided as knowingly delusional in advance, without examination.