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Originally Posted by Team Sergeant
I've trained a few SWAT teams and police snipers, that said anyone waking me up at 3:00 AM by knocking down my door had better made peace with their maker before hand as I will do my best to kill them all.
As was mentioned that was extremely excessive force for that situation, and as was also mentioned, the individual should have been met on the street, in broad daylight and arrested.
There is no way anyone would have heard "POLICE" in a dead sleep, the cops know it and we know it. Especially when many bedrooms are opposite the front door. The next noise heard is the front door coming down, yeah, that would get someone's attention, in a very bad way. And those $800 gun lights attached to every swat team members weapon and shined in the face of the victim would make it impossible to identify a police uniform.
There's only one reason for the police to employ a SWAT team, for high risk warrants, this was not a high risk warrant (I don't care if they say it was.... that's BS.). And from reading the article it was a poorly trained team, twelve against one and he wounds half and one is dead. (Not having read the after action report I would venture to say the individual did not do all the wounding and might not have killed the officer either, but he wound up dead anyway, friendly fire maybe, only the police know, 39 shots vs. 250 by police, makes one wonder.)
How well trained are most cops when it comes to shooting situations, not very. Remember the 20 people wounded recently on the streets of NYC when two NYC cops opened fire on one individual? All 20 (I don't remember the exact number) were shot by those two cops, only one was a bad-guy. Remember the recent man-hunt in Calif for the police officer that went on a killing spree? How many cops shot innocent people on that hunt?
I take offense to the Warrior Cop title, cops are not "warriors", real warriors are trained to kill the enemy, cops are NOT trained to kill the enemy but to "defend" themselves while effecting an arrest.
As this swat team found out the hard way, not everyone is going to cower when their door gets busted down in the dead of the night. This was IMO a very bad shoot and a very bad idea to start with.
Save the swat teams for the bank robbers and serial killers, some guy with a few pot plants does not justify a swat team arrest.
"Warrior cops", they're joking right......
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I have to agree with TS. No knock warrant service is usually reserved for drug evidence recovery ... and I'm no big fan of those even though I worked on a narcotics task force for the FBI (never did one). Through first hand observation I've learned that narcotics laws don't work. It's just a big game with enforcement making it big business.
If you don't have that requirement then you don't have that kind of situation.
I would also make the observation that while LEOs are not warriors, the skill sets are very similar -- that's why I became one, and that's why folks like TS are asked to train them. It's the ROE that are very different -- and includes defending others as well as one's self ... the protect part of "protect and serve."
One final note, as a LEO you can't protect anybody if you get dead ... so when I train LEOs I emphasize situational awareness so they don't get dead ... and that, with marksmanship, goes a long way toward winning a gunfight.
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