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JYD73 · 03-25-2013, 12:51

Thanks Sir,

I have heard this from many of the SF about Gen. Abrams. The first MoH effort from MACV-SOG that I have been working on for several years now, Gen. Abrams tried unsuccessfully to have it downgraded to a SS. I have a FOIA in with the MoH packets of SSG Pruitt and SGT Rose, and I highly suspect to find a pattern in downgrades (Should have files April-May sometime). The original SOG MoH nomination I have been working with also had access to both the witnesses and 5th SFG denied to the Army Decorations and Awards Board by 3 separate statements that "5th SFG and the witnesses had departed the RVN and no more information is available"

MG Singlaub mentioned Gen. Abrams animosity against SF in a 2005 DSC Presentation(from the 1970 MoH downgrade). He said that Abrams asked him why so many of his guys were award nominations, and that they would make better tankers than running around in the jungle.

One of the primary problems with MACV-SOG medals and awards was MACV-SOG being outside Reg. Army jurisdiction and knowledge of operation, but subject to Reg. Army in review of medals and awards for presentation. That Gen. Abrams couldn’t directly control SOG was a point of contention too, he was not happy with SOG receiving more awards per capita than his regular armored favorites.

Of note: Just recently got back from DC (5 Mar 13) on a lobbying effort for time limit waivers on MACV-SOG, SF and Spec. Ops. declassed operations medals and awards, had the honor of 3 MACV-SOG warriors coming with me on this trip and we a VSO from the VFW helping us. Half the battle with DSC and MoH is time limit on award. We were able to meet with 6 Senators and Congressmen's offices as well as staff from the House Armed Services Committee. Hope we did some good, time and persistence will tell....

03-25-2013, 12:51	#8
JYD73 Asset Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: VA Posts: 29	Thanks Sir, I have heard this from many of the SF about Gen. Abrams. The first MoH effort from MACV-SOG that I have been working on for several years now, Gen. Abrams tried unsuccessfully to have it downgraded to a SS. I have a FOIA in with the MoH packets of SSG Pruitt and SGT Rose, and I highly suspect to find a pattern in downgrades (Should have files April-May sometime). The original SOG MoH nomination I have been working with also had access to both the witnesses and 5th SFG denied to the Army Decorations and Awards Board by 3 separate statements that "5th SFG and the witnesses had departed the RVN and no more information is available" MG Singlaub mentioned Gen. Abrams animosity against SF in a 2005 DSC Presentation(from the 1970 MoH downgrade). He said that Abrams asked him why so many of his guys were award nominations, and that they would make better tankers than running around in the jungle. One of the primary problems with MACV-SOG medals and awards was MACV-SOG being outside Reg. Army jurisdiction and knowledge of operation, but subject to Reg. Army in review of medals and awards for presentation. That Gen. Abrams couldn’t directly control SOG was a point of contention too, he was not happy with SOG receiving more awards per capita than his regular armored favorites. Of note: Just recently got back from DC (5 Mar 13) on a lobbying effort for time limit waivers on MACV-SOG, SF and Spec. Ops. declassed operations medals and awards, had the honor of 3 MACV-SOG warriors coming with me on this trip and we a VSO from the VFW helping us. Half the battle with DSC and MoH is time limit on award. We were able to meet with 6 Senators and Congressmen's offices as well as staff from the House Armed Services Committee. Hope we did some good, time and persistence will tell....
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