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**Razor** · 12-31-2012, 21:19

Dozer, very glad to hear your boy is ok. Sad to hear about the SUV, but hopefully this becomes a "freebie" scared-straight moment for your son (I know if I were in your shoes, I'd have the scared part well covered, at least at the first report of the accident). I learned a similar lesson as a young, invincible LT in Germany, running nearly bald tires too fast through a rain-slicked turn. Other than a totaled MB190 and a severely sprained ego, I got REALLY lucky, and have never been a cheapskate on tires or pushed the limits on a rain or ice slick corner since.

I get your point on the original intent of guns, but there are plenty of things out there that are now being used for something far beyond their original design intent, even if its primarily entertainment (take the Internet, for example).

The problem with mandating "common sense, responsible" actions is that for every one of you, there is a crowd of gun-haters that will jump at the possibility of perverting "common sense" into an opportunity to make the scary guns go away. Then, to use a worn but worthy phrase, only those that will break the law anyhow will break the law and have a gun. Skeptical? What about Breivik in Norway? Bird in England? Xiang in Australia? Kretschmer in Germany? Gill in Canada? Think hi-cap mags are the issue? IIRC, Whitman used a shotgun and a Remington 700 in a hunting caliber to kill or injure most of his 40-some odd victims. Final reports are forthcoming, but I've read that Lanza freely reloaded his pistols multiple times, as there was no effective resistance against him, as did Cho at VA Tech. No need for a true hi-cap mag when you can slap in a fresh mag whenever you want.

Despite the angst and turmoil nuclear MAD policy caused from the 40s to the 80s, it's tough to argue that it didn't work--I don't recall any nukes detonated outside of tests or accidents during those 40 years (I stand by for a well-written and properly footnoted rebuke from Sig) . Maybe small arms MAD, despite the tension it can create, isn't such a bad solution.

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Razor Quiet Professional Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 4,539	Dozer, very glad to hear your boy is ok. Sad to hear about the SUV, but hopefully this becomes a "freebie" scared-straight moment for your son (I know if I were in your shoes, I'd have the scared part well covered, at least at the first report of the accident). I learned a similar lesson as a young, invincible LT in Germany, running nearly bald tires too fast through a rain-slicked turn. Other than a totaled MB190 and a severely sprained ego, I got REALLY lucky, and have never been a cheapskate on tires or pushed the limits on a rain or ice slick corner since. I get your point on the original intent of guns, but there are plenty of things out there that are now being used for something far beyond their original design intent, even if its primarily entertainment (take the Internet, for example). The problem with mandating "common sense, responsible" actions is that for every one of you, there is a crowd of gun-haters that will jump at the possibility of perverting "common sense" into an opportunity to make the scary guns go away. Then, to use a worn but worthy phrase, only those that will break the law anyhow will break the law and have a gun. Skeptical? What about Breivik in Norway? Bird in England? Xiang in Australia? Kretschmer in Germany? Gill in Canada? Think hi-cap mags are the issue? IIRC, Whitman used a shotgun and a Remington 700 in a hunting caliber to kill or injure most of his 40-some odd victims. Final reports are forthcoming, but I've read that Lanza freely reloaded his pistols multiple times, as there was no effective resistance against him, as did Cho at VA Tech. No need for a true hi-cap mag when you can slap in a fresh mag whenever you want. Despite the angst and turmoil nuclear MAD policy caused from the 40s to the 80s, it's tough to argue that it didn't work--I don't recall any nukes detonated outside of tests or accidents during those 40 years (I stand by for a well-written and properly footnoted rebuke from Sig) . Maybe small arms MAD, despite the tension it can create, isn't such a bad solution.
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