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NousDefionsDoc · 11-05-2004, 18:07

They are probably there, but they are not
1. In control
2. In any great numbers

And there are thousands of terrorist killers and infrastructure set up to combat them.

I think it has not made them harder to hit in other places, but has rather served as a warning for those that would harbor them.

I am not an SME, but:

1. The GWOT is not about nation states. Forget names like Iraq, Afghanistan, borders etc. Islamo-fascism is a security community. The terrorists are no more Iraqi or Afgan or Yemeni or Saudi than I am. They are Islamo-fascists, period. Hadji for short.

2. It has very little to do with religion - religion is the vehicle. It is about the will to power. To say,as libs do, that SF and UBL wouldn't have worked together is naive to the point of absurdity. It is feasible that given final victory, one would have turned on the other, but we will never know now - Thank you POTUS.

3. "War on Terror" is an intentional PC mis-nomer. Terror is a tactic, you do not make war on tactics. They weren't ready to call it the War on Islamo-fascism" and the world wasn't ready to hear it. Give it five years. It cannot be won. But the alternative is even more unacceptable. Therefore we fight.

4. Poverty does not create terrorism. In fact the opposite is usually true. Terrorist leaders very rarely come from poverty and there are millions of poor people in the world that do not blow things up. This lib BS was disproved in the '70s. There has been some correlation with terrorism and a perceived lack of legitimacy, a voice, etc. Again, the same reason for seeking WMD. A seat at the table. give me one, or I'll blow up your buildings. This is why it is imperative for UBL to establish a caliphate - a physical presence. The UN won't recognize a cave. I doubt he cares too much where it is for now.

5. The "social change" that is required is the indoctrination of Muslim youth in madrasas. It has nothing to do with capitalism or democracy. Youth are adventurous by nature. You give them a target and moral relativism (lack of punishment) and they will attack. Cuban and NK youth are communist true believers - they are not conducting homicide bomb attacks much.

Again, I don't think it was about Iraq, I think it was about preventing AQ from going where we most did not want them to be. At least on their own terms.

11-05-2004, 18:07	#11
NousDefionsDoc Quiet Professional Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: LA Posts: 1,653	They are probably there, but they are not 1. In control 2. In any great numbers And there are thousands of terrorist killers and infrastructure set up to combat them. I think it has not made them harder to hit in other places, but has rather served as a warning for those that would harbor them. I am not an SME, but: 1. The GWOT is not about nation states. Forget names like Iraq, Afghanistan, borders etc. Islamo-fascism is a security community. The terrorists are no more Iraqi or Afgan or Yemeni or Saudi than I am. They are Islamo-fascists, period. Hadji for short. 2. It has very little to do with religion - religion is the vehicle. It is about the will to power. To say,as libs do, that SF and UBL wouldn't have worked together is naive to the point of absurdity. It is feasible that given final victory, one would have turned on the other, but we will never know now - Thank you POTUS. 3. "War on Terror" is an intentional PC mis-nomer. Terror is a tactic, you do not make war on tactics. They weren't ready to call it the War on Islamo-fascism" and the world wasn't ready to hear it. Give it five years. It cannot be won. But the alternative is even more unacceptable. Therefore we fight. 4. Poverty does not create terrorism. In fact the opposite is usually true. Terrorist leaders very rarely come from poverty and there are millions of poor people in the world that do not blow things up. This lib BS was disproved in the '70s. There has been some correlation with terrorism and a perceived lack of legitimacy, a voice, etc. Again, the same reason for seeking WMD. A seat at the table. give me one, or I'll blow up your buildings. This is why it is imperative for UBL to establish a caliphate - a physical presence. The UN won't recognize a cave. I doubt he cares too much where it is for now. 5. The "social change" that is required is the indoctrination of Muslim youth in madrasas. It has nothing to do with capitalism or democracy. Youth are adventurous by nature. You give them a target and moral relativism (lack of punishment) and they will attack. Cuban and NK youth are communist true believers - they are not conducting homicide bomb attacks much. Again, I don't think it was about Iraq, I think it was about preventing AQ from going where we most did not want them to be. At least on their own terms. __________________ Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimal food or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon and he made his web gear. He doesn't worry about what workout to do - his ruck weighs what it weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True Believer is not concerned about 'how hard it is;' he knows either he wins or dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00, he is home. He knows only The Cause. Still want to quit?
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