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Originally Posted by Broadsword2004
No Sir, and that is not what I am claiming, sorry if I gave that impression. My point is that I think it adds fuel to the fire, if you will. If gun owners are going to argue that the Second Amendment should cover automatic fire weapons, then okay, but this product undermines all the claims about automatic fire weapons being illegal and difficult to obtain.
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As much as I would rather watch and listen, then speak, I think in this case you are too far off base on your assumption. Correct me if I am reading you wrong, but it sounds to me, as if you have doubts that the 2nd amendment covered "military weapons"?
You also seem to believe that bump firing somehow makes a more lethal weapon than a semi-auto?
If your argument is that the MSM would see a bumpfire weapon and call it a "Machine Gun", I can agree with that assumption. They will call anything scary to them a machine gun. Just like how they call all pistols Glocks, and any magazine high capacity. Its jejune opinions that they carry, they don't care about what the current laws say. They certainly do not care about facts either.
Now respectfully, I see you live in NY. I will make the observation as well, based off reading your posts, that you have been substantially misinformed about firearm definitions and current laws.
The truth about all this gun control talk is already very clearly laid out. Every weapon in our country is very clearly defined legally. Some descriptions are more vague than others, but the point is that the feds have already very thoroughly, made gun laws, reviewed them, and amended them as they see fit. They have done this meticulously since the founding of our country.
If you should find the time, I highly recommend you read the following, or at least review them. If you still hold the same opinions, you are entitled to that opinion. I just would rather you have a firmer base of understanding before making such statements of influence from misinformation.
1. What did our founding fathers speak of firearms in the Federalist Papers? What was the real general opinion? The 2nd amendment was the statement, the founding fathers already made what the statement meant crystal clear.
2. National Firearms Act of 1934, as well, changes, amendments and rulings since. There are many. Perhaps review the history of the law too. Did you know the BATFE maintains a list of all legal machine guns in the country and all NFA weapons defined in the NFA?
3. The Gun Control Act. Did you know we once tried regulating ammo? Have you heard of the 1968 machine gun amnesty?
4. The Firearms Owners Protection Act, with the addition of the Hughes amendment. (which arguably was never legally passed) The Hughes amendment made some epic changes to how machine guns are now handled in the US. Did you know previous to 1986 anyone whom could legally own a firearm, could legally submit paperwork to the ATF to make a machine gun at home?
5. How the Brady Campaign got the NICS check. What or rather whom, does the NICS check? What does the NICS check look for? Did you know that currently it also checks people against terrorist watch lists?
6. Finally, and far more complex to all the layers previous, State Laws. States also do their own checks, own laws and regulations, and waiting periods.
One more fact, in the entire history of civilians owning legally registered machine guns, (rocket launchers, grenade launchers, cannons, etc) since the NFA was passed, only two crimes have ever been committed by legal owners. One of which was a police officer whom bought a Mac-10 and killed a witness to a case. Not trying to upset the police on this board but it is true. The point though, is not that it was a LEO. The point is that law abiding citizens statistically in the case of NFA, are law abiding citizens. The process works to keep the "bad and evil things" out of the hands of "criminals".
If you are wondering why people can even still own machine guns among other "scary things", the reason is that these days, they hold a unbelievable value. Some particular machine guns are worth more than a thousand times its weight in gold(IE Lightning Links selling for $22000). Which in turn, has some very elite, very wealthy people in control of the market. Those same rich elite people influence the elections. IE, the fate of the politicians whom voted for the last "assault weapons ban".
I hope the information above helps you to be better informed of your opinions. If I am wrong about any of the above, please correct me.