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Originally Posted by Hand
Yes sir, I understand, but I don't see this this as an unavoidable eventuality. We put a man on the moon and a satellite outside the solar system. We pioneered the automobile, the personal computer. Are we really not smart enough to reign in our excessive spending before we completely ruin our economy for good?
I remember the debate leading up to TARP, I absolutely disagree with that decision. But then, since you brought that up, are you suggesting that it tipped some balance and sent the national debt into a free fall? By pointing at a Bush Jr bad policy, does that somehow remove Obama from any responsibility for his own mistakes or bad policies? Obama has his very own TARP and his is bigger, he also has this abortion of a health care bill. Can we say these are Obama's fault? Or are they also the result of previous administrations decisions?
Debt has actually fallen during Reagan and surprisingly Clinton's administrations. It can be done. I referenced not only debt, but unemployment, cities failing financially and the number of those on entitlement programs because there is no argument that previous administrations can be blamed for the current state of the country given those factors in consideration.
Our success as a nation rests squarely on the shoulders of free enterprise and personal liberty. These two things have been grossly restricted by this administration. There are countless examples scattered through out this forum of this happening. These cannot be blamed on Bush Jr.
While I disagree with what I'm about to say, for the sake of debate - Ill give you that responsibility for the debt isn't Obama's fault. Is there anything that he CAN be blamed for?
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Bush is just another current example other than the prey of favor, I am not picking on him.
Bush's mistake with TARP is he buckled to the Banks and bailed their asses out of a sling when he should have let sit in the nest they made. He set a precedent that the banks are Too Big Too Fail and the Government can save the day. He also covered the lawmakers and overseers asses as well. But there is far more to it than that, I liken it to the current Sheriff Joe 'conspiracy in that if the depth of real truth were known it would show how bad the system has failed. On one hand he F-kd up and on another he had a gun to his head in a manner of speaking.
What he did was similar to bailing your kids ass out of trouble and in turn the kid learns little more than I can get away with it....my parents will always be there.
From there Obama has up the ante with his programs......and he has examples from Bush and Romney (and a many others) for a basis like the Patriot Act, TARP and Romney Care. They did it, so can I and I can do it better!
The overall point I was making was, for this cycle to stop someone has to man up and say NO and no one has been willing to do it. While Obama is tool, he is far from being the only tool and in most instances it takes more than one tool to create a mess like we have.
Obama and many others are responsible for allowing things that should be stopped to continue. IMO the only things Obama can be specifically blamed for are the things he dictates, like through Executive Order.....all the others crimes run through both houses before they hit his desk....or Bush's desk, etc..etc. and in that case if he signed it he is only partially to blame.
It has gone on for so long there is no way to gain control of it
The folks in DC are like crack addicts, they will lie, cheat and steal by any means necessary to maintain the status quo and they will rob and pillage the private coffers to get their fix until it runs dry......unless some stand up and say NO MORE, NOT ON MY WATCH!
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Our success as a nation rests squarely on the shoulders of free enterprise and personal liberty. These two things have been grossly restricted by this administration. There are countless examples scattered through out this forum of this happening. These cannot be blamed on Bush Jr.
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Ahhhh....but a nation without responsibility and of good moral character is not a place they will flourish
