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Originally Posted by PRB
Naturally born Muslims or converts........No one says Islam requires all Muslims to kill non believers.
It commands you to spread the faith and subjigate non believers...if they will not submit then they must pay the tax and be second class citizens in Dhimmi status.
In Islam there are two places......the 'place of believers' and 'and the place of war' where non believers thrive.
A quick question for you...."Is Muhammed, as an individual, relevant in today's world"...Is he 'The perfect example of Manhood'.
What is the only guaranteed way to Islamic heaven?
What school of thought do you follow?
What are the commonly (by Islamic jurisprudence) abrogated verses?
I'd love to have this discussion with you and go over many of the various episodes in the life of Muhammed as written by his companions.....Gold Standard only.
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Islam is a missionary religion that tells its followers to spread their faith not to dissimilar from Christian missionaries.
Now here’s thing, a believer is not necessarily a Muslim. “The People of the Book” as they are called in the Quran (followers of other Abrahamic religions) are believers. Non believers are anyone else that is not a Muslim.
“The People of the Book” are spoken of quite well in most of the Quran, non-believers not so much, but both are to be treated with kindness and tolerance.
“…ye should show them kindness and deal justly with them…” Sura 60:8
Dhimmis in the past were taxed and it was certainly a form of oppression, I will not disagree with that as most Muslim rulers used it to simply have Non-Muslims acknowledge their government.
It is important to note that they were to be protected as part of the Dhimmi contract and failure to do so was a sin.
They were allowed to practice their own religion and laws (Halakha), even if it offended Muslims and were given the same rights as Muslim citizens.
In modern times, countries vary quite widely on this but I do not know of a country that actively taxes Non-Muslims anymore. Dimmis are generally able to get along fine although they may be persecuted by Muslim citizens despite the fact that they are not allowed to in Islam, as Dimmis have to be treated with the same kindness and respect shown to Muslims. It’s an unfortunate situation for them and I certainly sympathize.
Naturally born Muslims or converts
They are natural-born Muslims.
A quick question for you...."Is Muhammed, as an individual, relevant in today's world"...Is he 'The perfect example of Manhood'.
I think Muhammad is relevant for Muslims in the sense that he is viewed as being an the perfect example of a Muslim and so we are supposed to imitate him.
There are some things he did that I would not but I wouldn't do things that Abraham did either (almost killing his son).
It's similar to how Christians will view Jesus, they try to do good things just as he is told to have done.
In terms of society, no he is not relevant in politics and other aspects not actually relating to Islam.
What is the only guaranteed way to Islamic heaven?
The only guaranteed way is to become a martyr. The catch here is that suicide is not allowed.
If you become a martyr while fighting a war, the war should be justifiable and you must have followed the rules of war outlines in the Quran
The rules are what you would expect: Civilians are not targets, surrendering combatants cannot be executed, etc.
As far as anyone else, it’s a sin to say that a person will go to heaven or won’t.
Terrorists do not count because they obviously don't do anything right.
What school of thought do you follow?
I’m a Sunni Muslim.
What are the commonly (by Islamic jurisprudence) abrogated verses?
No verses in the Quran are removed or altered.
The hadith are different, people have invented their own hadith and so Muslim scholars have tried to find and remove the ones that are false.
It’s claimed that most of the fake ones have been removed but care should be taken by someone studying Islam as there are still quite a few that have yet to be found.