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Originally Posted by NousDefionsDoc
Ah so. I knew of the logo, wasn't sure of the relationship to the topic. Thanks for claifying. I'm not sure I agree, but it doesn't really matter. Another example on those lines would be the "no pursuit" rules for high speed chases? I can imagine the response if I was told to "Break it off, we'll get him another day." LOL.
I think the main point is each organization is different and very little good can come from crossing lines. IMO, the military doesn't do a good job when we are asked to police either. I have first hand knowledge of that little tidbit.
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So True, So True. Soliders are good at fighting and killing, not policing and "protecting the peace" where as cops are good at the opposite. In my little neck of the woods we have had 3 very serious situations in the past 2 months.
1st was a barricaded subject holding his girlfriend hostage (This guy just got out of prision, his conviction was for homicide on his BROTHER). Luckly the guys on scene were very good negotiators and talked the guy out (lucky for us that is).
2nd went out as a "Domestic in Progress Shots Fired" it turned out to be a Double homicide, an individual killed his girlfriend and her daughter at point blank range with a 30/30. He takes off into the woods, the local PD SWAT team is called out. They track him (well better yet they walk in the direction our Tactical Tracker told them to go) While the Patrol and Tactical Tracker sit back (b/c our admin said so). They make contact with the guy in the woods, at night, and he ends up killing himself.
3rd was just the other night it goes out as a "Domestic in progress with shots fired." 5 patrol Deputies arrive on scene and they start approaching the house when they hear a shot to the right of there position, they back away from the house and start moving towards the sound of were the shot was fired. They see the guy (he's about 35 yards away) He's order to drop the gun...blah, blah, blah, he points his 30-06 at them. 3 Deputies shoot, 2 shotguns (2 buckshot, and 1 got a second round off which was a Slug) 1 pistol is fired. ZERO hits. The guy makes it back into the house. 2 other Deputies who were on scene had AR-15's (they did not fire). Long story short they call the local PD SWAT team out set up a perimeter, and 3 hours later he surrendors.
Here is the scariest part this last situation my good friend who was on scene said, "Ya, it was pretty scary as soon as I got there, because they had just shot at him, he fled, and it took us a pretty long time to set up a parimeter."
My response, "Why didn't the guys close ground on him and neutralize him?" His response, "Don't know we haven't gotten debriefed yet." This was 4 days after the shooting.
Lessons learned.
1. All subjects had rifles
2. All subjects had fired shots (either during or prior to Patrol arriving)
3. No one closed with the Bad Guy and Neutralized him!
What has been done with the lessoned learned?
NOT A DAMN THING!!!
This mentality is why I completely agree with having the 1st String (and it isn't an LEO team) should be called in to deal with hostages situations!
I think we (as a nation) should take a stance of "If you take a Hostage, we are calling you a terrorist and dealing with you as such!"
Just my .02 cents
Edit: Cause I can't spell or fully proof read