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Originally Posted by Peregrino
I've had it with the PC BS. Victim hell - she did everything wrong that she possibly could have. The first lesson any intelligent person learns is avoidance. This is as blatant a case as has ever existed of the victim sharing a considerable measure of responsibility for the assault. She is an experienced world traveler with a high degree of cultural awareness. She knew the risks and chose to ignore them. She deliberately put herself in harm's way. She was thrown out of country and chose to return "for the story". She chose to disregard warnings, failed to employ basic personal security measures, went into the thick of an emotionally charged mob, and paid a price for it. A little situational awareness, some common sense, simply avoiding the situation in the first place, and she would have been relatively safe. It's time to acknowlege that bad things happen to people who do stupid things. And stupid people need to accept some responsibility when their stupidity gets them in trouble. It's an aspect of Darwin.
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Concur. However, I'm saddened by her admission of ignorance. I do not see high degree of cultural awareness or calculated risk.
From the interview:
Logan: I had no idea how endemic that it is so rife, so widespread, that so many Egyptian men admit to sexual harassing women and think it's completely acceptable.
Logan: That women never complain about incidents of sexual violence because you don't want someone to say, "Well women shouldn't be out there." But I think there are a lot of women who experience these kinds of things as journalists and they don't want it to stop their job because they do it for the same reasons as me - they are committed to what they do. They are not adrenaline junkies you know, they're not glory hounds, they do it because they believe in being journalists.
Then go in with the expectation that assault is part of the job, much like a soldier knows getting shot at is in the job description. Poor SA, poor cultural awareness, and so on. I could see this thread has been polarized. I'm trying my best to agree with her stance but can't help but to recall a definition I read once: A feminist is defined by a female who believes she can walk buck naked to a bike bar and not suffer any sexual assault be it physical, verbal, mental, or emotional. Idealistic? Yes. Commendable to advance gender equality, bla bla bla? Maybe. Realistic? NO! Heck-freakin-yes, women, especially one who sticks out with blonde hair and cleavage, should not be out there among ME male mob frenzy whose female harrasment record is well documented! So she noticed how the women who rescued her were dressed. Lightbulb going off there?
If she were my mother/sister/wife/any other female SO, I would not let her go out there. Is this another form of female-liberty oppression masked as protection? Give me a break!
Willfull ignorance or steadfast idealism in the face of big, bad, mean misogynists
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Originally Posted by Guy
Or, maybe I'm just dumb! Lara Logan put herself in a position that this could happen. Look at the goddamn video! I've been in some fucked-up crowds before and till this day...I avoid them SOBs!
If they'd gave me a choice:
#1. Go into a ME country with a uprising....
Or
#2. Run through a KKK meeting...
I'd take #2 in a heartbeat!
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Concur. I was in a certain 3rd world country when an engineering expo featured catwalk and German models. The place was packed by mob in the hundreds who broke the front gate earlier. The way the crowd reacted as the models came with more and more revealing outfit caused me to be concerned for their safety. Hell, I was concerned for my and my dad's safety. The expo speaker had to calm the crowd down for over 30 min to let the event continue. Some places just have hard time accepting or acknowledging Western culture, and for females (and males) to go there expecting decency as defined back home, that IMHOO, is willful ignorance.
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Originally Posted by afchic
Hopefully what I learned helped other women either prevent it from happening to them, or helping others being able to deal with it. Who is it to say she is not taking to the airwaves to do the same thing?
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I do not see how her interview prevents other from suffering the same fate. She acknowledged nothing wrong on her part. Dealing with it, yes. This is what breaks my heart. SANE (sexual assault nurse examiner) course teaches that you never, ever blame the victim. You assure safety and tell her that whatever she (or he) did is right because she's still alive. I have no problem telling the victim that. Telling potential-victim likewise does them no good. Is it any surprise there are no shortage of new victims?
Again, I'm trying my best to agree with her. Perhaps a good analogy is missionaries who knowingly go to hostile tribe, got killed, then they got labeled as stupid. For example, those who got killed at the hand of the Waodanis. However, they did expect violent response and went armed. They chose not to engage following their conviction. The analogy ends there. From Mrs Logan own admission and the comment that she reported safely for at least an hour, I gather she really did expect the crown to sing kombayah along with her. I feel sorry for what she went through, and sorrier for the blatant Darwinian aspect. Many more will follow her footsteps. Life is tough, it's tougher......