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Originally Posted by rdret1
ATF don't always have their facts straight though. The Gunfighters MC, which the report listed a young Sgt. a member of, is a LEO MC. At one time, ATF even listed the Blue Knights, which is the world's largest LEO MC, as OMG. OTOH, I recognized Dan Silcose's name. Worked with him at SFAS. He used to be 7th Grp I think. There used to be several of the guys at SFAS that were Veterans MC. I didn't see them listed though.
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AFAIK, the Veterans are not an outlaw club. IIRC though, several members and former members have made that step up. I don't think the Club or the other members of the Vets can be held accountable for that.
The Wingmen on the other hand, appear to be trying to claim turf and become actively involved in certain illicit activity like an outlaw club.
One of the SF members mentioned in the report made E-9 after assaulting a retired SF soldier at a charitable event, another is an intel specialist in 7th Group. Not sure how that tracks with good order and discipline, but it would appear that the leadership has not made an issue of it.
I think the disposition depends on who is in leadership positions at the time. At one time, the USASFC CG called in two soldiers who were consorting with the HAs and told them to make a decision to be soldiers or outlaws in the next X hours. One chose to retire and become a patched member, the other dropped out of his open association with the Club.
I agree that outlaw clubs recruit from service members for a variety of reasons, especially SOF. I think the outlaw lifestyle appeals to certain types within SF as well.
IMHO, once your primary loyalty transfers from your unit, fellow soldiers, and CoC to an outlaw club and your brothers there, you have crossed/burned a bridge and should probably leave the US military to pursue your life as an outlaw.
Just my .02, YMMV.
TR