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**Peregrino** · 10-20-2010, 21:27

amatlis - Nothing personal, just a few "words of wisdom". You're like most other engineers I've run into over the years. All about identifying the problem without considering the human factors (tact). Right doesn't mean popular. FWIW - you've described situations that've existed pre-Hannibal in every military in the world. Discovering it for yourself and learning to deal with it is one of the rites of passage. I've got an office full of guys who're ALWAYS willing to share their observations about "the Emperor's clothes". Probably why some of them are at HQ and not on teams anymore. Messengers make great targets; just one of the facts of life. blue02hd is a personal friend; he's also a deployed Team Leader. His reply is right up the middle WRT the typical reaction you can expect to get from your post. Guys who are actually in the fight and still having to put up with the local versions of the Charlie Foxtrots (cluster f**k) you're sharing from your training perspective aren't going to be inclined to "share the love". If you learn to fill the wasted time constructively, and put a positive spin on it, you'll be an asset anywhere you wind up. Otherwise, nobody will want you around - it won't matter how good you are. Human nature; nobody likes having their noses rubbed in the s**t. The further up the food chain they are, the less they like it - and the more likely they are to take their dislike out on the messenger. Good luck. And learn a little more about human nature. After all - people are the tools of your new trade. Learn to influence them gently and you'll get a lot further.

10-20-2010, 21:27	#35
Peregrino Quiet Professional Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Occupied Pineland Posts: 4,701	amatlis - Nothing personal, just a few "words of wisdom". You're like most other engineers I've run into over the years. All about identifying the problem without considering the human factors (tact). Right doesn't mean popular. FWIW - you've described situations that've existed pre-Hannibal in every military in the world. Discovering it for yourself and learning to deal with it is one of the rites of passage. I've got an office full of guys who're ALWAYS willing to share their observations about "the Emperor's clothes". Probably why some of them are at HQ and not on teams anymore. Messengers make great targets; just one of the facts of life. blue02hd is a personal friend; he's also a deployed Team Leader. His reply is right up the middle WRT the typical reaction you can expect to get from your post. Guys who are actually in the fight and still having to put up with the local versions of the Charlie Foxtrots (cluster fk) you're sharing from your training perspective aren't going to be inclined to "share the love". If you learn to fill the wasted time constructively, and put a positive spin on it, you'll be an asset anywhere you wind up. Otherwise, nobody will want you around - it won't matter how good you are. Human nature; nobody likes having their noses rubbed in the st. The further up the food chain they are, the less they like it - and the more likely they are to take their dislike out on the messenger. Good luck. And learn a little more about human nature. After all - people are the tools of your new trade. Learn to influence them gently and you'll get a lot further. __________________ A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. ~ Marcus Tullius Cicero (42B.C)
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