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Old 08-05-2010, 20:14   #111
Sigaba
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Originally Posted by MK262 View Post
First, who are the leaders of Islam who are to make this grand surrender? Is there a Caliphate I don't know about that will abdicate surrender? I don't think there is going to be any signing of terms on a Carrier like in WWII.

Secondly, the tactics we employed in WWII were due to the limited technology of the time. As someone who hasn't been in the military, but who has studied both International Law, the Laws of Armed Warfare, and the concept of Just War Theory, what you are arguing for is immoral and untenable in modern warfare.

To ask servicemen to kill indiscriminately, until some ultimate Islamic authority emerges from the shadows to give some symbolic gesture of surrender, is ridiculous.

It is even more ridiculous to ask how many dead I would accept before adopting such tactics. You're asking me what it would take for me to become a killer of innocent men, women and children.

As for the civil discussion... understood. I will keep my comments within bounds. I would hope you could understand though, that when someone questions both your loyalty, your word, and your love of country, they are being insulting as well.
First, the Missouri was a battleship, not a carrier <<LINK>>.

Second, the statement that "the tactics we employed in WWII were due to the limited technology of the time" needs clarification if it is going to support your point of view. At present, you're hinting at a counter factual argument that belies the history of combat operations in Europe and the Pacific and also discounts the fact that technology was but one of several factors that shaped tactics. (FWIW, I'd place civil-military relations, logistics, and grand strategy before technology but that's just my two cents.)

Third, I think you're confusing the amoral use of war as a means to an end for the immoral use of violence for its own sake.

Fourth, saying that the killing of civilians is "untenable in modern warfare" turns the definition of modern warfare on its head and flies in the face of global history.

Last edited by Sigaba; 08-05-2010 at 20:26.
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