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Just to add my .02 worth, you've gotten excellent (and professional) advise from everybody. Here's some more food for thought to cinch the deal on the 870: Given the wide variety of quality accessories manufactured for it, from a lot of sources, no other shotgun available today has the versatility of the 870. You can make it do anything from breaching to goose/deer hunting with near perfect reliability (it's mechanical - there's no such thing as perfect). Any good hunting catalog or gun magazine can get you started on the accessories. Check out the Brownell's catalog for the specialized stuff. Most of the accessories are something you ought to be able to handle with minimal tools that you probably already have. That also means that if you have problems there are a lot of competent gunsmiths out there who can help you modify it to realize whatever you think the weapon's potential should be. Because you can adapt it to so many uses, there's a better chance you will use it enough to get really familiar with it. (And to really confuse the issue, I personally use a Benneli Super 90 M1 - but I learned the hard way about light loads, something that's not a problem for a pump gun.) Unless you have money to burn, forget about the carbines for a while. FWIW - Peregrino
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