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Old 01-28-2010, 18:52   #17
T-Rock
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Jihad means struggle and in response to the verses you cited, here are some other verses...
If the elderly and disabled are exempt from the “struggle” what exactly does it mean?

o9.4 Those called upon (o: to perform jihad when it is a communal obligation) are every able bodied man who has reached puberty and is sane.

o9.5 The following may not fight in jihad:
(1) someone in debt, unless his creditor gives him leave:
(2) or someone with at least one muslim parent, until they give their permission:
Unless the muslims are surrounded by the enemy, in which case it is permissible for them to fight without permission.

(Reliance of the Traveler. Pgs 602-603)

Read Qur’an 9:29.

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[2:190] You may fight in the cause of GOD against those who attack you, but do not aggress. GOD does not love the aggressors.

[2:193] You may also fight them to eliminate oppression, and to worship GOD freely. If they refrain, you shall not aggress; aggression is permitted only against the aggressors.
cszakolczal - what role does al-Nasikh wal-Mansoukh play on the verses you’ve cited and what role does the below verse play?

"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)....." Surah 9:5

FWIW, the following Surahs have no authority and have been nullified:
Surahs 2, 3, 5, 8, 14, 18, 19, 21, 22, 24, 25, 26, 33, 34, 40, 42, 51, 52, 56, 58, 73, 103, and 108
http://www.meforum.org/1754/peace-or...ation-in-islam

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthrea...wal-Mansukh%29

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“They have been brain washed, and have been cited verses out of context in order to create a sense of martydom…”

FWIW, the Qur’an & Hadith guarantee martyrs a fast track to Islamic paradise to have their sins forgiven, regardless of any debauchery they may have been engaged in.

God has purchased the persons and possessions of the believers for the Garden—they fight [q-t-l] in God’s way: they kill [q-t-l] and are killed [q-t-l]—this is a true promise given by Him .... Who could be more faithful to his promise than God? So be happy with the bargain you have made: that is the supreme triumph.(9:111)

You who believe, shall I show you a bargain that will save you from painful punishment? 11 Have faith in God and His Messenger and struggle [j-h-d] for His cause with your possessions and your persons—that is better for you, if only you knew—12 and He will forgive your sins, admit you into Gardens graced with flowing streams, into pleasant dwellings in the Gardens of Eternity. That is the supreme triumph (61:10)

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/jihad-m...-of-the-grave/

http://www.meforum.org/646/the-qaradawi-fatwas

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...6422368&hl=da#

Last edited by T-Rock; 01-28-2010 at 20:30.
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