[Bill Harsey]

You guys are on the right track here, end the fight as it begins. Any training can be better than none but for guys especially they may have to unlearn a lot before they once again have useful skills. I was told that women can benifit from day one in martial arts training because they don't have to unlearn poor combat skills that lot's of guys have. That's why we trained the street fighters so hard, so we had a chance to know what they might do (thats supposed to be kinda funny...). I was always concerned that we trained real skills, not just tournament fighting. Oh for the good old days of bare knuckle full contact.