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Originally Posted by x-factor
Again, polygamy is criminal issue. Furthermore, we already have plenty of non-Muslim people practicing day-to-day polygamy at any of the various "free love" communes around the world. A man can live and mate with as many women as he can find willing, but he can only claim one as his wife under the law. Anything else is illegal.
Lets look at how this applies to our discussion though.
Lets say a Muslim guy has two women living with him in a consensual state of Islamic polygamy. He loves them both. He has children by them both. He cares for them both. Also, he's a law-abiding American and is only legally married to one of them.
The woman who is married to him both in the eyes of Islam and the eyes of the law, can sue for divorce and, if they both consent, accept arbitration by her local mosque. The mosque decides how to divide their property, any child custody issues, and what alimony she's entitled too. They take that settlement to the civil court and its ratified.
Any "divorce" between him and the other woman is in spirit only. It has the same legal status as breaking up with your live-in girlfriend. The woman can ask the local mosque to "arbitrate" and may get some compensation, through moral/social pressure, but whatever property or alimony agreements they reach is not eligible for ratification because they were never married in the eyes of the law.
It sucks to be the woman in that case, but she ostensibly entered into the relationship knowingly, so them's the breaks. Maybe she'll reconsider certain aspects of her faith. But whatever she does no other citizen is in any direct way inconvenienced or harmed.
Where's the problem with any of this?
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Well, here's the problem:
People game the system, and neglect or abuse those over whom they gain power.
On the Arizona-Utah border, there are the twin polygamist cities of Colorado City and Hildale (there's also the "suburb" Centennial Park).
The men there legally marry their first wife, and then are "spiritually" married to the other 2-14 wives.
The wives are expected to bear 1 child per year.
They are often married by age 16.
Most of these women and children have no income.
They are largely supported by the state.
As of about 3 years ago, the communities took in a combined $8.1 million in social benefits.
They payed a combined $100,000 in taxes.
The FLDS (Fundamentalist Latter Day Saint) Church calls this "Bleeding the Beast".
The local police force enforced the wishes of their church.
I have never heard of a domestic violence case being brought by the locals.
Many of the boys are driven off (often literally) when they become teenagers.
Many of the girls are married off (pimped) in their teens.
There are MANY disabled children (very likely due to inbreeding).
If you think it's just a "civil legal matter", come on out and take a look.
-Look into the red-rimmed, sorrow-filled eyes of women who knows she is trapped and has to bear this burden to protect her own children.
-Look at the despair on the faces of a half-dozen (or more) young children gathered aimlessly outside their home.
-Look at the neglect, when a severely disabled 16 year old, left alone to roll around in the dirt next to a horse stable, struggles to regain her feet.
I would expect much the same from anti-US Muslim groups setting up shop in this country...except they might divert some the money they get to other groups which, in turn, would use that money to directly wage war against us.
It may be politically incorrect to say this, but not all cultures are equal.
This nation was successful because of the principles and culture upon which it was founded.
If others want to enjoy the benefits, they need to assimilate.