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Originally Posted by Team Sergeant
1. There is no similarity between the mission of the military and the task of the federal, state or local LE.
2. There is no LE vs. military just as there is no techniques, tactics or procedures, that are similar, none.
3. And yeah, I get a bit irritated when anyone brings up LE and military in the same paragraph.
4. I’ve also offered a bit of advice to the LE community as far as response to a critical situation, by placing a few federal, specially trained, teams every few hundred miles apart spread out across the United States. (Sort of what the US military does by having bases around the world, shortens our response time to any critical situation)
5. It ain’t going to happen, we have too many Fed, state and local LE agencies that don’t work together in that area.
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1. Agreed. But, once again, I can't see where anyone was arguing that there
was.
2. I agree that there is no LE versus military (at least not from this end), but disagree with the latter part of your statement. There are a lot of guys on
our tactical teams that were recently part of
your teams. They bring with them them the techniques, tactics, etc that they leaned in SF, USMC Force Recon, NSW, etc. and incorporate them (when applicable) to the LE tactical mission. We all learn from that. There is a sharing of information that goes on, and stuff does "trickle down" to us. Doesn't mean our mission is the same, but you might be surprised at how many of "your" techniques for everything from clearing a room to taking down a bus or train ends up in "our" hands.
3. That's pretty apparent, but I have yet to figure out why. Nobody has said the LE is as good at this stuff as military CT units (we aren't), that we can do it better (we can't), or that we even want the freaking mission..... I actually said the exact opposite. However, we may be all that you have, depending on how fast everything goes down.
4. I agree. It's a great idea, but......
5. .... if this is true, then what's the point of talking about it?
Like I said, we know where we stand on this stuff, and are trying to get up to speed as quickly as possible. You can keep bringing up WACO, North Hollywood, and Columbine, but the fact remains that each of those instances was a "first" for us (LE), and we have attempted to adapt and learn from these lessons. A lot changes in 15 years.
We are much better armed and trained now. In North Hollywood, you had coppers with revolvers and 9mm handguns pitted against heavily armored (from head to toe) gunmen wielding high powered, fully automatic rifles with armor piercing rounds.... we learned from that, and now have patrol rifles of our own.
We learned that we can no longer "stage" at an incident like we did at Columbine, and our new training and techniques reflect that. 15 years ago, nobody was doing regular, dedicated force on force training in schools, hospitals, etc.... depts weren't obtaining maps, schematics, etc of all likely targets and setting up emergency action plans before shit happens...there wasn't inter agency coordination like there is now...none of this was in place at the time of Columbine. Now, at most large departments, it is routine business...
I have never claimed to be anything more than what I am.... we aren't Delta, DevGru, SAS, GSG9, etc..... we understand that... but not all of us are 400 pound range instructors, either. We are cops. We would prefer that you guys handle it, but you are too far away. Telling us how inferior we are isn't going to prove or help anything.
Different missions, but same team here guys..... we all want the kids to come home safe and the wives to be happy.