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Originally Posted by Ryval
First off, I know these posts are years old but it's my first time reading them. I am not trying to 'flame' anyone, but some aspects of L.E. was brought up that I feel my .02 might be an informative, or merely entertaining, read.
Secondly, Team Sgt. I would like to respectfully disagree with the above quote. I believe teaching LEO to kill more effectively is something that needs to be done. As one of our instructors put it, "We don't like it, but we better be damn good at it." I, personally, don't see how it would conflict with what we're already learning. Many of us would prefer more often, much better technique, and better, more expereinced instructors. As for the public, few honor us, some respect us, most tollorate us and many hate us. My belief is they'll think what they think, we'll do what we have to do.
On another note, I've read a few posts that either directly state or imply that LEO's do not have a warrior mindset or are not warriors. I'd also like to respectfully disagree. I believe the percentage is MUCH less than military, especially elite groups such as yourselves, however, the percentage is there. While I do not believe the skill level compares, at all, to someone in SF, I do believe the mindset is there. I know LEO's who spend their own money, time and resources to attended training through facilities like Blackwater or Trident Concepts. I see LEO's spend their own money / time to come into work early to train shooting while moving, failure drills, multiple advisaries, fail-safe groupings etc. I have had long conversations with LEO's who go out of their way to study the warriors of old, and modern, to gleen more information feed the ethos. I know LEO's that will respond, alone if that's all there is, to a Beslan style situation. Granted those are usually the same few officers.
For some of the situations listed above involving LEO's failing to neutralize threats, every one of them, IMHO, is a training issue, or lack there of, rather than a mindset issue.
I appoligize if I have offended anyone or stepped on anyone's toes. I have great respect for all the warriors on this forum and did not intend any of the above to be insulting or derogitory.
Thank you for allowing me to post my opinion. I will remove it if requested.
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Hey, just out of curiosity, what did the "warrior" SRO at Columbine do when confronted by two punks with a few small arms and no formal training?
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