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**Team Sergeant** · 01-07-2008, 19:57

Hey "a-gunguy" how would you like a serious lawsuit on your lap?

You, moron, are about to retract and apologise what you have written about me or face legal action. Your lies directly reflect on my credibility and the members of this website. You "a-gunguy" are about to learn first hand of my resolve.

Team Sergeant

Would one of you internet smart guy/gals please make a copy of this morons webpage for me? Thanks. TS

Body Armor Controversy
Jan. 5th, 2008 at 4:39 PM
You know that there are a lot of people that think that anything that the Army says is the gospel truth and sometimes it is. There are shades of the truth that I would like to dispell for some of the detractors of Pinnacle Armor Inc. and Dragon Skin out there.

Firstly

I used to work for the company -for 5 Years and that is a long time - I know all that there is to knowabout Dragon Skin armor and IBA (Current Issue)

IBA is a GOOD if not Great piece of equipment that has undenyably saved the lives of THOUSANDS of our men and women in Combat over the past years. There are a lot of variations of the armor - as improvements are made - it is fielded to extend its capabilities which is the way that it should be - and is.

I have seen IBA Systems take incredible punishment and come through perfectly well. And I have personally tested Dragon Skin and seen the same results - but within its capabilities - APPLES FOR APPLES Dragon Skin had the edge in a lot of criteria.

IBA using rigid plate technology is "Old School" and there is nothing wrong with that at all. It is the best solution that could have been fielded at the time given the massive amount and costs involved to issue. As time passes there are improvements using the latest technology and the latest materials - that is where Dragon Skin comes in.

Dragon Skin is a complication of very old technology - basically for lack of a better comparison- Scale Mail Armor - it is the oldest of the old in tech - but when using the latest in materials - it works undenyably well.

There has been a lot of obfuscation of the issue between PInnacle Armor Inc and the NIJ as well as the Army and USAF. Yes it is true that there were orders for this armor by the big army as well as smaller operational groups and there has also been some well - a lot of controversy surrounding the technology.

What you all saw on Futureweapons was ABSOLUTELY 100% ACCURATE depiction of the performance of the Level 3 System under simulated conditions. I stand behind that 100% BUT

There are folks out there that think that it was all smoke and mirrors given the information that the Army is putting out - this is not the case at all. The system that seems to be involved deeply in controversy is the Level 4 System - a system that I was absolutely 100% not involved with in any way shape form or manner in development - testing yes to a very small degree (first article testing - results are Categorized as trade secret - classified - and shall not be divulged in this or any other forum) .

Some of the issues involved are as follows:

1. Army Claims that DS did not meet their standards - as best I know (as I was not involved in the testing or marketing of this product to the military) DS Performed Admirably well with a very high V50 vs the IBA System under similar conditions. APPLES TO APPLES - DS offers more shootable area

2. The USAF Claims that DS Failed their acceptance testing - This is true - they bought Level 3 Armor labeled as such - testing was performed to a Level 4 Standard - not a fair criteria. Of Course it failed.

3. Based upon #2 the USAF Moved to Debarr Pinnacle Armor Inc. as a company and individuals involved with the USAF Deal - TRUE this was done and an interim debarrment was achieved. As this is a matter of Public Record at this time there were 3 individuals inolved in the Debarrment that were named as well as the company - I was not one of them.

4. The NIJ De-Certified Dragon Skin for use and sale by Law Enforcement - TRUE The NIJ Certainly did do this - after DS Set Records and the New 05 Interim Standard for NIJ Level 3 Performance Criteria. The basis was a Warranty Period issue - an unprescidented withdrawal of certification - this is matter is in the hands of the Federal Court at this time.

There are a lot of unanswered questions at this time about a lot of issues. There are blogs out there that really spear Pinnacle Armor and in some ways - the spearing is well deserved and in others - it is not at all factual or warranted.

Professionalsoldiers.com is one place where you can find extensive commentary on this subject - the site owner is someone that is heavily involved with IBA and its development. So take that with a grain of salt... Some of the infromation there is VERY GOOD and some is absolutely not.

Dragon Skin is a great product that I am afraid will never see widespread use in combat - the level 3 materials are absolutely second to none in their category - weight vs. protected area is fantastc and will cover the majority of the threats that anyone would realistically face. Level 4 is a spooky thing to beat - can DS Do it - YES and I have seen it time and time again.

As someone who worked for the company for a long time - all that I have to say is that this has been a contentious issue and one that I regret being involved with - I highly object to the supposition of the conspiracy theory posed by other company officials - and I did not care for the tact or lack thereof in presenting the argument and facts of this matter. My objections were voiced time and time again on this matter - but to no avail.

So here Pinnacle Armor Inc. is - great idea - great product - lousy PR - and on the verge of oblivion. This is what happens when you make enemies out of the entire world. A lifesaving product with huge merit and potential will likely be shelved for eternity.

G-D bless our men and women in the armed forces. Thank you for your service and come home safe.

On a personal note

AS I HAVE NO HORSE IN THIS RACE ANYMORE (I DO NOT WORK FOR NOR DO I HAVE ANY FINANCIAL TIES TO PINNACLE ARMOR INC.) I WILL SAY THIS

IF I WERE TO GO TO A COMAT ZONE - I WOULD WEAR AND TRUST WITHOUT QUESTION LEVEL 3 DRAGON SKIN AND ITS CAPABILITIES AS A LIFE SAVING PIECE OF EQUIPMENT. I HAVE TESTED WORN AND EVEN BUILT THE ARMOR MYSELF AND IT IS OF THE HIGHEST QUALITY AND PERFORMS FLAWLESSLY WITHIN ITS STATED PARAMETERS AND PERFORMS VASTLY LONGER THAN ITS STATED WARRANTY PERIOD.

http://a-gunguy.livejournal.com/1022.html

01-07-2008, 19:57	#131
Team Sergeant Quiet Professional Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 20,929	Here's a moron and his live journal blog Hey "a-gunguy" how would you like a serious lawsuit on your lap? You, moron, are about to retract and apologise what you have written about me or face legal action. Your lies directly reflect on my credibility and the members of this website. You "a-gunguy" are about to learn first hand of my resolve. Team Sergeant Would one of you internet smart guy/gals please make a copy of this morons webpage for me? Thanks. TS Body Armor Controversy Jan. 5th, 2008 at 4:39 PM You know that there are a lot of people that think that anything that the Army says is the gospel truth and sometimes it is. There are shades of the truth that I would like to dispell for some of the detractors of Pinnacle Armor Inc. and Dragon Skin out there. Firstly I used to work for the company -for 5 Years and that is a long time - I know all that there is to knowabout Dragon Skin armor and IBA (Current Issue) IBA is a GOOD if not Great piece of equipment that has undenyably saved the lives of THOUSANDS of our men and women in Combat over the past years. There are a lot of variations of the armor - as improvements are made - it is fielded to extend its capabilities which is the way that it should be - and is. I have seen IBA Systems take incredible punishment and come through perfectly well. And I have personally tested Dragon Skin and seen the same results - but within its capabilities - APPLES FOR APPLES Dragon Skin had the edge in a lot of criteria. IBA using rigid plate technology is "Old School" and there is nothing wrong with that at all. It is the best solution that could have been fielded at the time given the massive amount and costs involved to issue. As time passes there are improvements using the latest technology and the latest materials - that is where Dragon Skin comes in. Dragon Skin is a complication of very old technology - basically for lack of a better comparison- Scale Mail Armor - it is the oldest of the old in tech - but when using the latest in materials - it works undenyably well. There has been a lot of obfuscation of the issue between PInnacle Armor Inc and the NIJ as well as the Army and USAF. Yes it is true that there were orders for this armor by the big army as well as smaller operational groups and there has also been some well - a lot of controversy surrounding the technology. What you all saw on Futureweapons was ABSOLUTELY 100% ACCURATE depiction of the performance of the Level 3 System under simulated conditions. I stand behind that 100% BUT There are folks out there that think that it was all smoke and mirrors given the information that the Army is putting out - this is not the case at all. The system that seems to be involved deeply in controversy is the Level 4 System - a system that I was absolutely 100% not involved with in any way shape form or manner in development - testing yes to a very small degree (first article testing - results are Categorized as trade secret - classified - and shall not be divulged in this or any other forum) . Some of the issues involved are as follows: 1. Army Claims that DS did not meet their standards - as best I know (as I was not involved in the testing or marketing of this product to the military) DS Performed Admirably well with a very high V50 vs the IBA System under similar conditions. APPLES TO APPLES - DS offers more shootable area 2. The USAF Claims that DS Failed their acceptance testing - This is true - they bought Level 3 Armor labeled as such - testing was performed to a Level 4 Standard - not a fair criteria. Of Course it failed. 3. Based upon #2 the USAF Moved to Debarr Pinnacle Armor Inc. as a company and individuals involved with the USAF Deal - TRUE this was done and an interim debarrment was achieved. As this is a matter of Public Record at this time there were 3 individuals inolved in the Debarrment that were named as well as the company - I was not one of them. 4. The NIJ De-Certified Dragon Skin for use and sale by Law Enforcement - TRUE The NIJ Certainly did do this - after DS Set Records and the New 05 Interim Standard for NIJ Level 3 Performance Criteria. The basis was a Warranty Period issue - an unprescidented withdrawal of certification - this is matter is in the hands of the Federal Court at this time. There are a lot of unanswered questions at this time about a lot of issues. There are blogs out there that really spear Pinnacle Armor and in some ways - the spearing is well deserved and in others - it is not at all factual or warranted. Professionalsoldiers.com is one place where you can find extensive commentary on this subject - the site owner is someone that is heavily involved with IBA and its development. So take that with a grain of salt... Some of the infromation there is VERY GOOD and some is absolutely not. Dragon Skin is a great product that I am afraid will never see widespread use in combat - the level 3 materials are absolutely second to none in their category - weight vs. protected area is fantastc and will cover the majority of the threats that anyone would realistically face. Level 4 is a spooky thing to beat - can DS Do it - YES and I have seen it time and time again. As someone who worked for the company for a long time - all that I have to say is that this has been a contentious issue and one that I regret being involved with - I highly object to the supposition of the conspiracy theory posed by other company officials - and I did not care for the tact or lack thereof in presenting the argument and facts of this matter. My objections were voiced time and time again on this matter - but to no avail. So here Pinnacle Armor Inc. is - great idea - great product - lousy PR - and on the verge of oblivion. This is what happens when you make enemies out of the entire world. A lifesaving product with huge merit and potential will likely be shelved for eternity. G-D bless our men and women in the armed forces. Thank you for your service and come home safe. On a personal note AS I HAVE NO HORSE IN THIS RACE ANYMORE (I DO NOT WORK FOR NOR DO I HAVE ANY FINANCIAL TIES TO PINNACLE ARMOR INC.) I WILL SAY THIS IF I WERE TO GO TO A COMAT ZONE - I WOULD WEAR AND TRUST WITHOUT QUESTION LEVEL 3 DRAGON SKIN AND ITS CAPABILITIES AS A LIFE SAVING PIECE OF EQUIPMENT. I HAVE TESTED WORN AND EVEN BUILT THE ARMOR MYSELF AND IT IS OF THE HIGHEST QUALITY AND PERFORMS FLAWLESSLY WITHIN ITS STATED PARAMETERS AND PERFORMS VASTLY LONGER THAN ITS STATED WARRANTY PERIOD. http://a-gunguy.livejournal.com/1022.html __________________ "The Spartans do not ask how many are the enemy, but where they are."
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